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Phoenix Suns' Hakim Warrick Finds Consistency, Provides Spark Off Bench For Suns

It took a while, but the Phoenix Suns' Hakim Warrick seems to have found some long-desired consistency in the Suns' rotation as a scorer and energy guy. Warrick's season is only 6 games old (he sat out the first game), but this has been the most consistent 6 game stretch of his Suns' career - both in terms of energy and production.

When Warrick signed in the wake on another player's departure 18 months ago, he thought he'd hit the jackpot.

"I was going to try to wait it (free agency) out but it's like a dream job," said Warrick, in an article posted last July on azcentral.com. "I've always sat there and watched the Suns, thinking, 'If I could play with Steve Nash, that'd be great.' I got that opportunity and I jumped on it."

Suns fans set the bar very high for Warrick on day one, constantly comparing him to a former Suns player and judging him based on those expectations. Suns coaches set the bar a bit lower, yet still expected him to exceed his career averages (10 pts, 4 rebs on 20-22 minutes) by a wide margin in the Suns' system. He disappointed everyone on both fronts.

But Warrick is his own player. He is not a long-term NBA starter, and should not be expected to produce like one. His best offensive skill - pick-and-roll dunker - profiles as a power player, yet his body more resembles that of a small forward. He runs like a gazelle, but gazelles are not known for their lateral movement. Thus, you can't expect Warrick to hold up physically at either PF or SF for 35 minutes every game.

He can, however, be more consistent with his effort and production when he is on the floor. And he knows that. A year ago, I interviewed Warrick for BSotS (though I can't find any BSotS articles before this season anymore -_-). His mantra, repeated over and over, was that he wanted to find consistency in Phoenix - both from the Suns and from himself.

A year later, it looks as if he is getting it and giving it. He knows the system now. He knows the offensive game plan. He knows where he fits and how to get on the floor. And he's finally producing as best he can.

Star-divide

You might be surprised to hear that this 6 game stretch is the "best" 6 game stretch of his Suns career. Or, if you watched Warrick last season, you might not.

He would pour in 20+ points in 20 minutes one night, and then 2 points in 10 minutes the next. And beyond the box score, you could just watch his body language change from game to game. He was either "there" or he wasn't.

Simply put, Hakim Warrick was not predictable last season. And when you're not predictable, then you're not going to get predictable minutes. Which becomes its own vicious cycle.

One big difference between last year and this year, at first glance, appears to be his jumpshot. It seems he is making a high percentage from 15-22 feet, which is never a good long-term sign. On the whole, the 15-22 foot jump shot is the worst shot in the NBA because it's only worth 2 points and has the lowest % of 2-pt makes on the floor.

But is Warrick really exceeding his own expectations from that range? A look at hoopdata.com says no.

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(click on the table to make it bigger and readable)

In fact, Warrick is taking more but converting a lower percentage of jumpshots than at any point in his career. Yet the big difference is that he LOOKS like he's going to make those shots. His body language screams confidence. And that is as big a threat as any.

Where is Warrick excelling then? Around the rim.

In the first 6 games of the season - again Warrick's most consistent 6 games of his Suns career - Warrick has been not only good but also self-sufficient around basket.

  • His conversion percentage on shots inside 10 feet (including 'at the rim') are all-time highs.
  • The percentage of those shots that were assisted by another player are lower than last season, but more in line with the rest of his career.

If you look at the stats over time (the pretty picture above), you can conclude that Warrick is not playing over his head. Rather, he's finding a better balance between his pre-Suns game and his with-Suns game. Last year, he relied on Nash and the p-n-r game more most of his offense. Thusly, when opponents focused on stopping that one play, Warrick would disappear. Now, he is making his own magic happen. He is converting his own plays close to the basket, and that is a very welcome sight.

The key to his season, and his Suns future, is still consistency. When Warrick is consistent, then he is predictable. When he is predictable, then he will get consistent minutes as a primary backup SF/PF.

A consistent Warrick is a huge bargain at $4 million a year for two (or three, at the Suns' discretion) more years.

Just don't expect him to be something he's not. Enjoy what he brings - hustle, finishing at the rim, and 10 points and 4 rebounds a game on 20-22 minutes.

Poll
Will Warrick stay in the rotation all year?
Yes - he will remain a bright spot all season long!
360 votes
Yes - but he will eventually revert to his frustrating production - on one night, off the next
122 votes
No - his shots will stop falling and he will be squeezed out
19 votes
I hope not! Get rid of him asap!
17 votes

518 votes | Poll has closed

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Great article as usual, Alex...

We are all worried about a precipitous drop-off from Hak to be certain, but I really think having the “defined” role as the scoring energy off the bench helps his confidence and should facilitate him remaining comfortable throughout the year. All bets are off if major injuries force him into a starting role. Personally, I think he has done better than expected considering the PG play (Telfair & Price, we are talking about you..>!) that normally is with him when he is on the floor.

I had thought about this yesterday,,,If we can get Telfair or Price to give us any semblance of reasonable back-up PG play this year, there is no reason Hak can’t average 14ppg and 6 rpg off the bench this year. If we can get Brown to stop chucking up bad shots and find the open man, it’s bound to even improve from that. Really glad to see Hakim being a light of sunshine out there…

Let’s Go Suns…!

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by Daryl Ray on Jan 7, 2012 9:31 AM MST reply actions  

Very nice Alex.

I have been a fan of Warrick since he played at Memphis and I really felt like he got away from his game somehow. Good to see this laid out in writing. I think he can be productive in the role he is in. Great job.

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by N8lol on Jan 7, 2012 9:42 AM MST reply actions  

at 4 mil/year, he's a good role player

If he plays like this all year consistently, he’s a bargain. This is what we should expect of him. Maybe a bit more rebounding and D if we can squeeze it out of him.

But I like his game. And, also, I think he expects a high level of himself, which is the best aspect to his game. He was on a college championship team (with ’Melo), and knows how to win.

I like him at SF and playing fast. He’s a perfect player for the run-and-gun to score on transition (fast and athletic). If we can do more of that, he’s a great asset.

Grant Hill for prez.

by sun-arc on Jan 7, 2012 9:59 AM MST via mobile reply actions  

Good analysis as usual, thanks

Hak is easily our Most Improved Player thus far. He seems so much more confident and aggressive. He knows he’ll play good minutes and doesn’t expect to be benched every time he misses a shot or rebound. As you say he’s becoming much more versatile offensively, able to find and make his own shot when backup PG play bites. A very pleasant surprise. Now can we just get Chilly going somehow? Pleeease? Or is he our lost cause?

by Van2010 on Jan 7, 2012 10:14 AM MST reply actions  

At this point I don’t think I want to give chilly the chance. He has had enough already. Either he just doesn’t have it or he isn’t a good fit. Or maybe both. Either way, we shouldn’t have an 11 player rotation. As it is when Redd starts playing, someone else’s minutes may have to be cut.

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by sun-arc on Jan 7, 2012 1:57 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

Yep. Chilly is done, and when Redd comes aboard, there’s a good chance that Brown won’t see many more minutes either.

by BringBackBarkley17 on Jan 7, 2012 5:24 PM MST up reply actions  

Yeah....

I am a fan of Chilly’s game but I am thinking he has been given his opportunities. He sits in the dog house once again and this time I can’t see him climbing out. Gotta think about that amnesty long and hard on this one.

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by Airwave on Jan 8, 2012 2:13 PM MST up reply actions  

Not really. It would take me a millisecond to think about it before I did it. I would have done it this summer. I think Sarver is trying to fight the retarded “Saver” insults, and he’s making bad decisions. After people criticized letting Amare walk, he very stupidly signed off on throwing free money at Chilly, Turk, and Warrick. Now, after the thing with the lockout and the insults continued, he refused to amnesty Childress when most outside observers said it was an easy decision. He’s actually been far too giving of his money. If he’s going to spend, he needs to spend wiser.

by BringBackBarkley17 on Jan 8, 2012 3:58 PM MST up reply actions  

Well

Would we use it just to get rid of him for next season? I see them using it if they can free up some space for signing another player. Just have to wait and see what happens but he is and has been #1 amnesty option since the start of it.

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Mark my words." Piotr Szczesniak 12/12/11 2:12 PM
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by Airwave on Jan 8, 2012 4:01 PM MST up reply actions  

Regardless, if it were me, I’d save the money. I am not paying anyone that much to sit on the bench and not play.

by BringBackBarkley17 on Jan 8, 2012 4:02 PM MST up reply actions  

there is NO MONEY TO BE SAVED though, guys. Suns owe every penny, every paycheck with or without the amnesty. Childress will make another 27 million from the Suns over the next 4 years whether he’s on the bench or not.

Amnesty only helps teams either (a) under the cap or (b) over the lux tax line. Suns are in the middle (over the cap, under the tax), so it doesn’t help them at all. Until July 1.

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by Alex Laugan on Jan 8, 2012 4:07 PM MST up reply actions  

Which is why I think it depends on who they are trying to sign

If they need to free cap space then I see it being done. But otherwise I don’t see why they would cut him…

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Mark my words." Piotr Szczesniak 12/12/11 2:12 PM
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by Airwave on Jan 8, 2012 4:19 PM MST up reply actions  

If they need to free cap space then I see it being done

you mean next summer, right? Not this season.

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by Alex Laugan on Jan 8, 2012 4:21 PM MST up reply actions  

Yessir

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Mark my words." Piotr Szczesniak 12/12/11 2:12 PM
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by Airwave on Jan 9, 2012 2:04 AM MST up reply actions  

Not true, dude. They only pay the difference between what the new team pays and the original contract. I am not saying Chill will get a lot of dough, but whatever the new team pays him is money Sarver would save.

by BringBackBarkley17 on Jan 9, 2012 1:13 AM MST up reply actions  

that’s only if he is picked up on the initial round of waivers, and some team below the cap puts in a claim. That only happened so far with 1-2 amnestied players.

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by Alex Laugan on Jan 9, 2012 6:52 AM MST up reply actions  

Warrick gives me the confidence that something good is going to happen with the ball in his hands.

For a bench guy and two new pgs running the offense, its not a bad thing to have at all. To move him from his PF position to SF somehow gives him the ideal fit and it seems to be working even on the defensive end where he doesnt have to guard bigger guys and be pushed around like a toothpick.

Slumdog Millionaire without the million.

by atkammoh on Jan 7, 2012 10:18 AM MST reply actions  

Hak seems to have really worked on his game over the off season.

He is knock down with his 14ft jumper and other teams haven’t showed respect for that yet and he seems to have toned down the catch and jump from anywhere on the floor. Although last night when he pulled that Dr J esque move, at first I thought ‘oh no here he goes’ but the outcome was a thing of beauty..

by SunKing on Jan 7, 2012 10:32 AM MST reply actions  

I consider Hak as kind of a Forward version of Barbosa.

He’s just something altogether new we can throw at the opponent.

"I'm a nobody." - Steve Nash in 1997

by PHXSunsRunNGun on Jan 7, 2012 11:32 AM MST reply actions  

I wish he were as relentless at pushing tempo as barbs was. But Hak is getting more aggressive which is good.

Grant Hill for prez.

by sun-arc on Jan 7, 2012 2:00 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

Thank You !

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by Lino Canaan on Jan 7, 2012 11:53 AM MST up reply actions  

awesome clip

and awesome analysis, Alex. Warrick’s shot is awkward with kind of a fall away type of thing going on. Its clearly better than last year, results wise. But it always looks like an awful shot until it starts falling.

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by Wil Cantrell on Jan 7, 2012 12:54 PM MST up reply actions  

As a coach trying to teach grade school kids how to shoot for real,

I cringe every time he takes that shot. YOU DON’T HAVE TO FADE AWAY ON EVERY SINGLE FRICKIN’ SHOT!!!!!!!

Ok, I’m glad I got that off my chest.

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by Omaha Sun on Jan 8, 2012 12:20 AM MST up reply actions  

To be fair though,

Nash always fades when he shoots, and he happens to be arguably the greatest shooter of all time

"I'm a nobody." - Steve Nash in 1997

by PHXSunsRunNGun on Jan 8, 2012 1:35 AM MST up reply actions  

Dont be silly.

Nash has a variety of faders and leaners because he practices them like crazy and is the best shooter off of the dribble in the league. You don’t get that way chucking up prayers, he has a gorgeous textbook shot. Look at the way he shoots at the line or when he spots up.

Hak and robin Lopez both fade from the basket on jumpshots as part or their technique. I think it is a big man habit from fading off of post d as a counter move. It is one best fixed. Fading off like that requires shot correction on the touch and thus makes for inconsistant shooting.

by GDD on Jan 8, 2012 2:07 AM MST up reply actions  

This.

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by Omaha Sun on Jan 8, 2012 10:26 AM MST up reply actions  

I think the nba is trying to downplay nash while hes in phoenix

If that had been cheil paul or rondo it would have been a top ten play. Wtf

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by phxpurple on Jan 7, 2012 4:10 PM MST via Android app up reply actions  

In fact someone (can’t remember who) did a crossover that sent Nash to the floor on our first or second game this season (when he may have been tripped) and it did make the highlights and top 10.

by troglodytes on Jan 7, 2012 4:16 PM MST up reply actions  

Yea its crazy

The lack of respect the suns/nash gets sometimes is disturbing

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by phxpurple on Jan 7, 2012 4:37 PM MST via Android app up reply actions  

He was definitely tripped.

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by Omaha Sun on Jan 8, 2012 12:20 AM MST up reply actions  

You’re probably right. We never get any respect. But that play was hilarious!

by BringBackBarkley17 on Jan 7, 2012 5:26 PM MST up reply actions  

As soon as I get to my laptop

All my recs go to this

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by phxpurple on Jan 8, 2012 3:32 AM MST via Android app up reply actions  

Rec for you.

I was very disappointed when I didn’t see that play when i watched the highlights.

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by Omaha Sun on Jan 8, 2012 12:22 AM MST up reply actions  

Dirrrrrrrrrrrtttttttyyyyyyyy

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Mark my words." Piotr Szczesniak 12/12/11 2:12 PM
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by Airwave on Jan 8, 2012 2:14 PM MST up reply actions  

Well we do need his offence.

I like the fact he is playing both forward positions to get more playing time. He has 6th man of the year potential no doubt about it.

When Redd gets on the court will he be our starting SG? If he is and Dudley goes back to the back up SF will that impact on Warricks minutes?

by Sunderstruck on Jan 7, 2012 4:15 PM MST reply actions  

doubt it

was hopeful for Brown at first, but since he is a new version of peaches he will be man out to make room for Redd. I do see JYD going to the bench though. Tough to think of at first but makes since to me. Wait til Brooks returns, gets even more crowded. Maybe we can trade for some high picks.

by rdgroce on Jan 7, 2012 4:42 PM MST up reply actions  

probably not at first, but i do believe that may happen eventually. It might depend on whether Redd or Dudley is the better fit with the second team. Which will we need more floor spacing with? Whichever team that is, should be where Redd is. Personally, I think I’d like to see the rotations be:

Starters – Nash, Redd, Hill, Morris, Gortat

Bench – Price, Dudz, War machine, Frye, Lopez

I think those give good balance.

by BringBackBarkley17 on Jan 7, 2012 5:28 PM MST up reply actions  

That leaves Telfair & CHilly assed out...

There going to get good at some board game over on the sideline…

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by Daryl Ray on Jan 7, 2012 5:31 PM MST up reply actions  

Telfair, Chill and Brown all out of the rotation in that scenario

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by Alex Laugan on Jan 7, 2012 5:44 PM MST up reply actions  

I forgot about the mad bomber...

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by Daryl Ray on Jan 7, 2012 7:28 PM MST up reply actions  

yep ,as they should be. a minute here or there, but not in the rotation.

by BringBackBarkley17 on Jan 8, 2012 12:34 AM MST up reply actions  

That would be. My first choice for line ups too. But I wonder if the defense will lack by having poor D in two adjacent positions in both line ups? Nash and Redd, Hak and Frye. Though the new rotations seem to work fairly well. And I’m less worried about the D on the 2nd unit, as Hak and Frye have improved some. But with Nash and Redd, will opposing 1&2 guards blow right pass them to the rim??

Grant Hill for prez.

by sun-arc on Jan 8, 2012 10:36 AM MST via mobile up reply actions  

yes this is a big concern for me

But I wonder if the defense will lack by having poor D in two adjacent positions in both line ups? Nash and Redd, Hak and Frye.

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by Alex Laugan on Jan 8, 2012 12:16 PM MST up reply actions  

That would never work IMO

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by Airwave on Jan 8, 2012 2:17 PM MST up reply actions  

I agree, that’s the concern.

by BringBackBarkley17 on Jan 8, 2012 3:58 PM MST up reply actions  

I like that rotation

JYD hustles. is balanced, but if Redd comes out of the gate on fire how do you keep him out of the starting spot? This morning at work a Laker fan asked me what’s up with Brown, he treats the ball like a hot potato and chucks it as soon as he can.

by rdgroce on Jan 8, 2012 10:03 AM MST up reply actions  

You keep him out of the starting spot because it's best for the team.

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by Omaha Sun on Jan 8, 2012 10:27 AM MST up reply actions  

He is a MUCH better 3

His biggest weaknesses, even more so than defence, are bulk and defensive rebounding inside. At the 3, both those go away, as he is quite good on the offence glass, where it is more about hustle and athleticism and less about boxing out, and his bulk is a non-issue.

I think he can be a roughly average 3, and maybe slightly above compared to backups, especially if the coaching staff can avoid matchups with the better scoring threes.

by MMotherwell on Jan 7, 2012 8:35 PM MST up reply actions  

I've been pleasantly surprised.

I was all for trading Hak for a conditional 3rd round pick before the season, but he’s impressed me by bringing a lot of energy and showing off a much improved shot. I thought with Morris playing well we wouldn’t see much of Hak anymore, but he’s played his way into the rotation at the 3 spot. I still cringe when he takes that step-back fadeaway, but all in all he’s impressed me coming off the bench. Can’t say the same for the Brown Hole.

by wedge1039 on Jan 7, 2012 7:24 PM MST reply actions  

I rather we had just kept Pietrus for his defense

But, he asked for it (literally).

Don't trade Dudley!

by Beavis 25 on Jan 7, 2012 7:42 PM MST up reply actions  

I kinda feel like

fuck him

Enough Bitchin' lets do this

by 2NASHTY on Jan 7, 2012 8:13 PM MST up reply actions   3 recs

Pietrus was horrible

He was worse than Brown as a chucker – although he was a good defender.

Playing for Phoenix seems make servicable, two skill backups think they are Kobe or, more accurately, pre-injury Michael Redd, e.g. scorers first and foremost. Brown and Pietrus both tried to do what they can’t – play with the ball in their hands and create off the dribble, rather than use their athletic gifts to help the team win, by defending, getting out and running and shooting WIDE open threes.

The coaching staff needs to correct this trend, or Brown is on his way out of the league.

by MMotherwell on Jan 7, 2012 8:41 PM MST up reply actions  

As said above, it’s such a shame because they could both be such assets to our team. I’m glad peaches is gone. But I want brown to be somewhere between barbosa and jrich, only with better defense than either of them. Maybe I’m dreaming, but I feel he’s capable- he just needs the right guidance.

Grant Hill for prez.

by sun-arc on Jan 7, 2012 9:44 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

Hey I’ve got an idea: maybe we could be more patient than 7 games with these guys, before tossing them onto the street.

(written in support of your comment, sun-arc)

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by Alex Laugan on Jan 8, 2012 7:47 AM MST up reply actions  

I do think brown needs more time and guidance. But will he get the chance once Redd comes into the rotation?

BTW- AZrep has a great article on Redd. It really makes me route for him, and gets me excited to see what he can do.

Grant Hill for prez.

by sun-arc on Jan 8, 2012 10:46 AM MST via mobile up reply actions  

Agree

I am still waiting to judge Shannon.

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by Airwave on Jan 8, 2012 2:18 PM MST up reply actions  

I am not. Motion denied. After Redd comes, he’s out of the rotation. Next year, he’s gone.

by BringBackBarkley17 on Jan 8, 2012 3:59 PM MST up reply actions  

Fair enough

Just want to see us use him without the ball in his hands trying to create his own offense. He looks bad when he is trying to dribble the air out of the ball and chuck something up.

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by Airwave on Jan 8, 2012 4:02 PM MST up reply actions  

The problem is we kind of need Brown to create off the dribble. Neither Price nor Warrick are all that good at it.

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by Omaha Sun on Jan 8, 2012 12:27 AM MST up reply actions  

Eeek

Cause Brown can’t either.

We need a different offence – one where Brown and Price aren’t the creators. Maybe Redd running off screens, ala Reggie Miller in the good ole days?

by MMotherwell on Jan 8, 2012 1:51 AM MST up reply actions  

That's what Chicago does when Rose is sitting down.

They run their offense through Kyle Korver running off of an endless amount of screens to free him up for a shot or dump off pass to a big man.

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by Omaha Sun on Jan 8, 2012 10:28 AM MST up reply actions  

We need something similar

The “Nash without Nash” offence hasn’t worked in a few seasons. We need some identity for the bench that takes the ball out of Brown and Price’s hands.

by MMotherwell on Jan 8, 2012 1:37 PM MST up reply actions  

Pietrus + Brown

Think they are Kobe or more accurate scorers.
He clearly isn’t as good as he is trying to be; more focused on proving himself (for that big contract next year); Its all about him right now and it isn’t working.

by rdgroce on Jan 8, 2012 3:42 AM MST up reply actions  

lol that’s pretty harsh considering there is no 3rd round

by BringBackBarkley17 on Jan 8, 2012 12:34 AM MST up reply actions  

Therein lies the humor of the statement that shows how low of an opinion he had of Hak.

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by Omaha Sun on Jan 8, 2012 12:35 AM MST up reply actions  

watching the clippers vs bucks right now

so the bucks will be another team we played b2b tomorrow, at home. We should get to 4-4 after that. but with this Suns, you’ll never know

by Chafid on Jan 7, 2012 9:10 PM MST via mobile reply actions  

Wow ESPN ranked Morris the 3rd best rookie

1. Rubio
2. Norris Cole
3. Morris
4. Brooks
5. Irving

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by Suns R Us on Jan 7, 2012 11:13 PM MST reply actions  

He's on the outside looking in on NBA.com's Rookie Ladder.

SMH…

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by Omaha Sun on Jan 8, 2012 12:28 AM MST up reply actions  

Yea I know

Every other site ive seen has morris at the 5-6 spot. But wow 3 on espn. I guess coming up big in a prime time spot will help your cause. Hes definitley outplayed alot of the rookies despite coming off the bench. Im scared to think what his numbers might be if he started with a real pg to feed him down low aka ole nashty boi. His ability to find open spots on the floor to score is amazing enough. not to memtion hes got a great attitude. I like a team first guy.

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by phxpurple on Jan 8, 2012 3:41 AM MST via Android app up reply actions  

morris will be the starter before long

makes sense, he will progress very well there, and Frye solidifing the bench is pretty solid. This season is going to be all about the second unit, with the way games are condensed together.

by rdgroce on Jan 8, 2012 3:49 AM MST up reply actions  

I

Won’t be surprised if he starts tonight actually.

by Toon Army Sun on Jan 8, 2012 7:19 AM MST via Android app up reply actions  

he has no downlow game right now, regardless of the PG. If he could finish a p-n-r, he’d be doing it right now. And he almost hurt himself posting up Wesley Mathews.

I’m thinking we should just be happy with what he IS giving the Suns. Expecting any more than 11 and 7 on 25 minutes a game is asking too much of a rookie.

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by Alex Laugan on Jan 8, 2012 7:51 AM MST up reply actions  

Does he have no PnR game, or have we just not used him that way? I haven’t seen a single PnR attempt using Morris, so i don;t know if it is because he can’t, or the cpoaches don’t call it.

by MMotherwell on Jan 8, 2012 1:38 PM MST up reply actions  

considering Nash is the best in the game at pnr, I cannot imagine refusing to use it in the game if Morris was any good at it. Remember Gortat coming over. He had a pnr on almost every trip when he first got here.

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by Alex Laugan on Jan 8, 2012 4:09 PM MST up reply actions  

But if we never call his number

How do we know? Lack of evidence isn’t evidence of a lack.

by MMotherwell on Jan 9, 2012 5:44 AM MST up reply actions  

also

When did we last call Hak’s number on the PnR – and he is a GREAT finisher on the PnR.

by MMotherwell on Jan 9, 2012 5:44 AM MST up reply actions  

I already think he is doing plenty

I wanted someone who could grab some minutes at the 4 so we don’t have to kill Frye and play Warrick there anymore. He has done exactly that… He will continue to develop and we will see where this kid can go in the future. It looks like a bright one for him so far.

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by Airwave on Jan 8, 2012 2:33 PM MST up reply actions  

they have irving down at 5 with cole 2? lmao

by BringBackBarkley17 on Jan 8, 2012 12:35 AM MST up reply actions  

My thoughts as well.

I’m bringing up all of their stats now to try to see what they are thinking.

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by Omaha Sun on Jan 8, 2012 12:36 AM MST up reply actions  

Rubio: 9.4 ppg, 52% fg, 50% 3fg, 68% ft, 6.7 apg, 3.6 rpg, 1.3 spg, 3 topg, 27.7 mpg
Cole: 11.1 ppg, 48% fg, 23% 3fg, 75% ft, 3.6 apg, 1.5 rpg, 1.4 spg, 2.6 topg, 22.4 mpg
Keef: 9.1 ppg, 52% fg, 53% 3fg, 71% ft, 1.1 apg, 5.9 rpg, 0.6 bpg, 0.7 topg, 21.3 mpg
Brooks: 14.1 ppg, 46% fg, 33% 3fg, 77% ft, .7 apg, 3.4 rpg, 0.9 spg, 0.9 topg, 23.3 mpg
Irving: 14.1 ppg, 42% fg, 44% 3fg, 87% ft, 5.3 apg, 3.9 rpg, 0.9 bpg, 2.9 topg, 26.4 mpg

Hmm…

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by Omaha Sun on Jan 8, 2012 12:49 AM MST up reply actions  

The theory is

Being a rotation player on a contender is harder.

by MMotherwell on Jan 8, 2012 1:52 AM MST up reply actions  

MIN is a contender? NJ? CLE?

They are going with the big names/storylines and throwing Keef in there to make them look like they are actually paying attention.

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by Omaha Sun on Jan 8, 2012 10:31 AM MST up reply actions  

Rubio has been good

And Cole is on a contender and Morris third. That seems reasonable to me – what’s the quibble exactly?

by MMotherwell on Jan 8, 2012 1:39 PM MST up reply actions  

anyone see Rubio’s stat line today, especially the 14 assists? The Nash comparisons are only going to start getting more plentiful.

by BringBackBarkley17 on Jan 8, 2012 4:00 PM MST up reply actions  

I <3 Rubio

Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."

by rsavaj on Jan 9, 2012 1:27 PM MST up reply actions  

Warrick has had a rough go of it since signing here

The reason being since we basically signed him as a replacement for Amare so there was immediately a lot of pressure on him to produce. I mean, no one was expecting Amare like production from him but his explosive athleticism, decent jump shot from 12-15 feet, and ability to get to the charity made for a perfect pick and roll partner for Nash meaning everyone thought he was going to break out.

Now, those expectations have calmed, and instead of him starting which really exposes his deficiencies in rebounding and defense, we have him coming off of the bench which is a role he is much more suited to play.

The guy provides instant offense off of the bench for us and can either play the perfect pick and roll partner for Nash or create his own shot….by just jumping over everyone else.

Warrick is kind of like Channing Frye in regard to his streakiness so he will go through some frustratingly bad stretches (Like Channing’s shooting slump right now) but when that does happen I hope we don’t lose faith in him and let him work out of his funk since I think he should easily be able to average 11-12PPG/50%FG/70%FT and more importantly get to free throw line and just provide some energy to the team and crowd with his absolutely sick dunking ability.

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by TheRza82 on Jan 8, 2012 12:04 AM MST reply actions  

You're right

He was expected to flourish with us and average around 14-16 ppg while picking up 5-7 rpg and eventually start over Hedo at PF. I’m just going off of memory here, so I could be wrong about those stats, but either way, there we’re high expectations placed upon him to perform like a poor man’s Amar’e. He’s not a poor mans Amar’e though. He’s worse. He’s Hakim Warrick, a role player, a bench player and so far this season he’s been a good one.

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by Beavis 25 on Jan 8, 2012 12:15 AM MST up reply actions  

Hakim Warrick could have been Amare-lite

if he grew up to weigh more than 95 pounds.

borderline adequate

by waxmonkey on Jan 8, 2012 9:19 AM MST up reply actions  

Hak has a pretty nice post game. As a PF, he didn’t get to use it all that often because he’d just bounce off his defender. Perhaps we can see him use that more. I like perimeter players posting up if they have an advantage, especially when our bigs can shoot like they do.

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by Omaha Sun on Jan 8, 2012 12:34 AM MST reply actions  

I like him at the 3

Runs the floor well enough…his dize as a 3…rebounding isnt as big of a deal (putting thus lightly…work well in a zone due to his college time (also why i think he stinks at d)…

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by Snowbird on Jan 8, 2012 12:49 AM MST via iPhone app reply actions  

arggghhh

Drunk posting!

"He's very cerebral when he plays out there"--Hubie

by Snowbird on Jan 8, 2012 12:50 AM MST via iPhone app up reply actions  

(though I can’t find any BSotS articles before this season anymore _).

Go to the archives and click 2011.

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by Omaha Sun on Jan 8, 2012 12:57 AM MST reply actions  

have you tried? And I mean 2010, not 2011.

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by Alex Laugan on Jan 8, 2012 7:53 AM MST up reply actions  

oh snap! I never used archives before. Always tried the ‘search’ function, which isn’t working.

Thanks!

Here’s my article on Warrick wanting consistency.
http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2010/8/23/1637698/new-phoenix-sun-hakim-warrick

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by Alex Laugan on Jan 8, 2012 7:58 AM MST up reply actions  

;-)

You’re welcome.

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by Omaha Sun on Jan 8, 2012 10:31 AM MST up reply actions  

you guys are too smart for me. Thanks. :)

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by Alex Laugan on Jan 8, 2012 4:10 PM MST up reply actions  

Role and expectations are undoubtedly the key

I’ll freely admit that I was one who expected too much from Warrick and then was disappointed when he failed as a starting PF, and even struggled as a backup PF. The constantly-changing rotations didn’t help him at all as he was trying to find his fit on the team, and his poor interior defense and rebounding made him a poor fit as a PF.

There’s no way he’ll be able to bulk up. With his slight build at age 29, his body is pretty much a finished product. Playing more of a mid-range and perimeter-oriented game was the best way for him to improve his value and he seems to have found his place as a backup 3. His defensive and rebounding weaknesses are more manageable there. Of course this means that, barring injury, Josh Childress stands to get even less playing time than last year. Wow.

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by East Bay Ray on Jan 8, 2012 10:17 AM MST reply actions  

hak bulk up

if he went on Barry Bonds diet he could bulk up???

by rdgroce on Jan 8, 2012 10:22 AM MST up reply actions  


Age 27 – Age 40

It can be done! :)

borderline adequate

by waxmonkey on Jan 8, 2012 10:34 AM MST up reply actions  

Barry Bonds diet = illegal performance-enhancing drugs.

I’d rather Hak not do that, and continue working on his jumper instead.

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by East Bay Ray on Jan 8, 2012 10:44 AM MST up reply actions  

Maybe he can Hulk up?

But he seems too mild-mannered to get all green and rip his shirt.

by Van2010 on Jan 8, 2012 10:48 AM MST up reply actions  

Whaaa?

But Barry said it was flaxseed oil!

borderline adequate

by waxmonkey on Jan 8, 2012 11:01 AM MST up reply actions  

Barry is obviously legit

I mean look at that smile. He would never lie lolololol.

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by Airwave on Jan 8, 2012 2:49 PM MST up reply actions  

Hak should eat some cheeseburgers

Get that extra 15 lbs he need.
Btw is chilly worse than brown?
Or id chilly just to tall to play SG and more of a 3

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by phxpurple on Jan 8, 2012 11:29 AM MST via Android app up reply actions  

It's not that at all.

As a great man once said, “Chilly loves the bench.”

It was only called the mildly irritated house on McDowell until I showed up.

by Jim Coughenour on Jan 8, 2012 12:11 PM MST up reply actions  

15 cheeseburgers would just pass right through him while clogging his arteries

He’d have to eat a lot more than he burns to put on some wait and that would be very difficult for him to do when he’s also an NBA player.

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by Beavis 25 on Jan 8, 2012 1:36 PM MST up reply actions  

Chilly is worse than Brown in this system

Brown can show the ability to hit the 3 at least.

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by Airwave on Jan 8, 2012 2:50 PM MST up reply actions  

Warrick has been a bright spot.

I think that Warrick being the team’s leading scorer through seven games speaks as much to the problems endemic to the Suns roster as it does to Warrick’s palingenesis.

Does Nash make everybody around him better? Yes.

Can he turn role players into scoring phenoms? No.

To evaluate the Warrick situation a little further, let us turn to the (in some occasions) horribly inneffective application of extended statistics.

Last season Warrick averaged 8.4 ppg, 3.7 rpg, and .511 fg% in 17.7 mpg. Compare this to his career averages of 9.8 ppg, 4.2 rpg, and .498 fg% in 20.8 mpg.

If we multiply his statistics last year to compare them with this career minutes played, the numbers are 9.9 ppg and 4.3 rpg with a better than average field goal percentage. In other words while he may have failed to meet expectations,

Suns fans set the bar very high for Warrick on day one, constantly comparing him to a former Suns player and judging him based on those expectations. Suns coaches set the bar a bit lower, yet still expected him to exceed his career averages (10 pts, 4 rebs on 20-22 minutes) by a wide margin in the Suns’ system. He disappointed everyone on both fronts.

maybe that is just because the expectations were unrealistic…

To explore further:

Through 6 games (small sample size) Warrick is averaging 12.7 ppg, 3.5 rpg, and .483 fg% in 23.3 mpg. If we scale these numbers down to compare them to his career averages they would be 11.3 ppg and 3.1 rpg on worse shooting.

So what gives? Is 11.3 and 3.1 really that much better than 9.9 and 4.3 over an identical sample time? The answer is that the statistics fail to tell the story adequately. What I contend (and what I think most others agree with) is that watching Warrick play this season it is obvious that he is contributing more this season than he did last year.

The question now is whether Warrick can sustain his level of play for the whole season. We’ve all seen plenty of examples of a player having a good 5 or 10 game stretch (or even half a season for that matter) where they outperform their normal skill set. Is this what Warrick is doing now? Is he at a peak? Or is this a new valley?

I am hoping it is a new valley. This is the valley of the sun, after all (even though technically it’s really a basin).

It was only called the mildly irritated house on McDowell until I showed up.

by Jim Coughenour on Jan 8, 2012 12:36 PM MST reply actions   1 recs

The answer is that the statistics fail to tell the story adequately.

I think the difference is he is playing the 3 more, and not the four. That takes away all the monstered defensively and missed boxouts he used to have, and that makes him look a LOT better. Offensively, he has always been good. From Hollinger:

Warrick led all power forwards in free throw attempts per field-goal attempt…. He shot a scintillating 74.6 percent in the basket area last season, and he drew all those fouls en route, helping offset a bad season with the jump shot. (Warrick normally has solid midrange shooting numbers; last season he hit just 35.8 percent from beyond 10 feet.)

As a SF, Hak negates the negatives (he simply cannot box out as he has no hips), and comparing Hak to an average SF (per 48) – http://www.thenbageek.com/players/compare?utf8=%E2%9C%93&season=&player_ids%5B%5D=395&player_ids%5B%5D=272 – he is average or better at everything except 3FG%, Blocks and Steals.

If the coaching staff can continue to play Hak against SFs and stretch 4s, like Rashard Lewis, and keep him from having to defend monster 4s like Blake Griffin, Hak can be a real asset for us. If we start playing him like last year, he’ll start to look bad again.

That goes for a few of the other players as well, as the coaches have done a poor job putting guys like Price and Brown in spots where they can succeed, and they need to get better at that for us to stand a chance of making the playoffs.

by MMotherwell on Jan 8, 2012 1:51 PM MST up reply actions  

thanks for writing my whole article again, Jim. :) Same conclusions, culminating in the same lingering question, just in different words.

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by Alex Laugan on Jan 8, 2012 4:14 PM MST up reply actions  

you did question the wisdom of even using a 6-game stretch for any conclusions, but remember that I’m simply saying that this has been his most consistent 6-game stretch as a Sun. So, that’s progress…

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by Alex Laugan on Jan 8, 2012 4:16 PM MST up reply actions  

I am generally suspicious of people's application of wisdom

since I have none of my own to wield.

It was only called the mildly irritated house on McDowell until I showed up.

by Jim Coughenour on Jan 8, 2012 8:58 PM MST up reply actions  

Exactly.
Same conclusions, culminating in the same lingering question, just in different words.

I was agreeing with your assessment and simply offering another way of looking at the situation which for me is, simply put, that sometimes statistics aren’t enough in and of themselves without the benefit of (a) the eyeball test and (b) the ratiocination to interpret what implications the statistics have.

It was only called the mildly irritated house on McDowell until I showed up.

by Jim Coughenour on Jan 8, 2012 8:56 PM MST up reply actions  

I agree wholeheartedly.

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by Omaha Sun on Jan 8, 2012 9:47 PM MST up reply actions  

absolutely

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