Phoenix Suns Crush Milwaukee Bucks 109-93
by Wil Cantrell on Jan 8, 2012 9:35 PM MST
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PrintThe Phoenix Suns bucked the early season trend of low scoring first quarters and cold shooting games Sunday night against the Milwaukee Bucks by hitting their first five shots from the field while Steve Nash dished 10 assists. The squad that had looked as though they had never seen one another before functioned like that well oiled machine we saw against the Blazers as the Suns broke out 13-19 shooting and an 18-10 lead in the first period.
After outscoring Milwaukee in the 2nd by 5, the Suns busted up the Bucks 34-19 in the third quarter...the game was over for all intents and purposes after that.
Looking up and down the stat sheet the Suns looked like a balanced, quality club:
- Grant Hill 6-11, 14 pts, +28
- Channing Frye, 16 points, 6 rebounds, 4-4 from downtown
- Marcin Gortat 9-10, 7 rebounds, 3 blocks
- Steve Nash 10 points, 17 assists (10 in the 1st quarter)
- Jared Dudley 11 points, 7 rebounds
- Shannon Brown didn't shoot for a high percentage, but he's coming along, 14 points.
And here is where your boy starts raving about things...MARKIEFF MORRIS...Listen, he's young, he's bound for ups and downs, but this kid has the mental makeup that prior draft choices like Earl Clark don't have...13 points, 10 rebounds, 2 blocks. The kid makes things look easy, he never looks rattled, he lets the game come to him, and he busts his cojones out there. If you've been critical of the Suns FO and their history on developing youngsters, well, check this out...the alleged better brother, Marcus, he's in the D Leagues and Markieff is quickly becoming a vital cog in the Suns attack... CHANNING FRYE...yeah its great when he picks up double digit boards, but the Suns squad is 100% more difficult to defend when this guy starts draining threes. I mentioned it in the preview, and you saw it tonight. He stretches the floor and creates serious matchup problems...
MORE NUMBERS:
- YOUR Phoenix Suns shot 56% from the field and 45% from beyond the arc-SEASON HIGHS
- YOUR Phoenix Suns scored 20 fast break points
- which is why it didn't much matter the Suns were out-rebounded 38-40
Quotable:
ALVIN GENTRY:
"I thought Steve did a good job of opening up the offense and we made shots...that's the time when you need to get separation and I was a little disappointed...it was a total team win and a win we needed to have...You always want to take care of business at home before you go on a road trip...i thought Shannon Brown was much more aggressive today although he's still feeling his way around."
GET JACKED UP SUNS FANS!!!!!! WINS=CONFIDENCE AND CONFIDENCE EQUALS WINS...LET'S BUST US SOME LAKER ARS*!
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I'm loving Markieff Morris!
Kieff Vader was at it again. And his 3 point shooting is good too. Maybe we actually have a good draft pick in him?
Oh, and Steve Nash is a beast, old news.
Joe Saunders: "They Giants played a really good game, so hats off to us"
I am as well
He is really impressing me thus far. I hope he continues to just improve.
"If Gortat pulls off a real Dream Shake in-game this year I will shave my head.
Mark my words." Piotr Szczesniak 12/12/11 2:12 PM
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Yeah that Nash guy is really impressing, he will continue improving,i am sure
Blind enough to believe on Pudgemonster.
I was speaking about Morris
But yeah that guy is pretty good too.
"If Gortat pulls off a real Dream Shake in-game this year I will shave my head.
Mark my words." Piotr Szczesniak 12/12/11 2:12 PM
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Meanwhile, Marcus Morris is in the D-League.
"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley
To be fair
There was no room for him on houstons roster. Which begs the question why did they draft him in the first place? Hes basically a tweener who is not a master at either spot. He may have been good in college but in the nba you must have mad handles to be a SF. His small arms dont help.
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by phxpurple on Jan 8, 2012 10:55 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
Makes you Wonder
Maybe they were thinking future, or possibly as trade bait. Maybe the Suns can somehow get him on the cheap and we will have the Morris Twins! lol
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Thatd be crazy
If only he had superstar potentials at the SF
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by phxpurple on Jan 8, 2012 11:03 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
Especially considering they drafted Patrick Patterson last year, and later in this year’s draft they took Chandler Parsons, who are also tweener forwards,
I think they just went with the BPA.
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Then I think Leonard was better
"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley
That may be true, but he apparently wasn't on their board.
Leonard slid down a lot of teams’ boards on draft night.
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Shannon Brown
right, can’t watch the game, but is he really that bad? Judging from the game thread I thought he was having a nightmare. But, even though he only shot 2/8, but he was aggressive enough to draw those fouls and good enough from the line to go 10/12. Just to throw in some perspective, The WHOLE team got 17 FTA, and Brown was responsible for 12 of them.
part of the reason was that he refuses to pass and shoots a ton. the ball stops with him on a lot of our possessions. its part of why Ronnie price hasn’t looked very good as well as Lopez. I like what brown can do but its painful to watch him not fit in with the rest of the team on the floor.
by ArizonaCactus on Jan 8, 2012 9:45 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
"shoots a ton and the ball stops with him"
hmmm i wonder if playing for the lakers under kobe had anything to do with that
He is ceirtanly hard to watch
He is a such a talented guy, yet his passes are not the best, and his shooting is just not as good as Kobe for him to make the shots he is taking, but when he drives into the lane, always something good happens, he still seems lost to me, like playing 1 vs 5.
Blind enough to believe on Pudgemonster.
I fail to see the "talent"
I see the athleticism. But talent?
This guy is what I call a “park” player. Stick him in pick-up games and he is an all-star. He can go one-on-one against anyone and score against teams that have no defensive structure. But put him in a game where there is help D, where his defender is big and fast enough to stay with him, and the guy is lost. He takes bad shots, over dribbles, and cannot pass for his life.
Brown will have a few games here and there where he will put up some points. But all told, this is a guy that will, on average, kill our offense by jacking shots and turning it over.
That doesn’t spell talent to me.
by hubertdavisfor3 on Jan 9, 2012 10:09 AM MST up reply actions
THIS
Let’s wait if he can change that feeling and help in deffense so he’s not only a chucker
"Steve Nash is more valuable for the Suns than Kobe for the Lakers" - Jared Dudley
he can't change
that is how he plays. He is not going to all of a sudden develop a basketball IQ.
Athletic, but subpar talent.
by hubertdavisfor3 on Jan 9, 2012 5:14 PM MST up reply actions
Perhaps he was referring to his physical abilities as his God-given talent.
It’s a shame he never added basketball skills to that 44-inch vertical.
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This is exactly right.
One of the main reasons that Lopez isn’t looking up right now is the fact that most of his court time is with Price and Brown who are still learning. Brown has a really bad tendency of jacking up bad shots (not as bad as Pietrus, but almost) and he holds on to the ball allowing defenses to get set. So, despite Lopez’s aggressive play and high energy he isn’t getting the ball very often and when he does it is in difficult situations where the only options are an unlikely hook shot (which he made!).
Add to this that Lopez is on the court with Warrick and Morris who dont seem to like to block out very much and you have the appearance (stat line) that Lopez has been getting which is far from the truth about his play.
"We never tried Amar'e, Nash, and a live Grizzly bear." -Scott Howard, January 18, 2010
"All they’re fighting for is to stay as obscenely rich as they are now, based on their ability to bounce a ball and throw it in a hole." East Bay Ray, October 10, 2011
"the players and owners are squabbling over how to divide the pie that WE BAKE FOR THEM." East Bay Ray, October 31, 2011
I'm niot sure about that
Morris is a great rebounder, at the least. Although the guards do not help at all, Lopez always looks slow on the block, and really isn’t looking great.
And Price is as bad as Brown on ball, IMHO, and we need a ball handler on that unit – or at least someone who can pass. Price / Brown should bring it up and throw it to {INSERT ANYONE ELSE} who can the run a play timely. I’m not sure who the best {INSERT ANYONE ELSE} is, but I know that Brown and Price are offence killers.
Lopez needs to learn spacing on offense.
Each time he tries to post up the secondary defender pokes it away.
He either needs to gain ground faster on his defender, or he needs to recognize when to pass out to the perimeter players.
Feed the cutter!!!
by Piotr Szczesniak on Jan 9, 2012 6:45 AM MST up reply actions
Lopez is definitely playing much better than his box score will indicate most games. He may not grab as many rebounds as Gortat, but he appears to be at least to me, taking up space and not allowing his man to get the board which in turn allows one of his teammates to come away with it.
He also seems to be talking to players on both ends of the floor. I think N8lol is right, Lopez has just been getting the ball in bad spots on offensive, but he’s continued to stay active. Constantly moving from both sides of the block to try and get good position.
And it still shocks me that people think Lopez is slow. Given his size, he seems pretty quick to me.
Seth, get in here and back me up on this!
by Chris_Coffel on Jan 9, 2012 10:11 AM MST up reply actions
He should start against LA
Bynum, Gasol vs Gortat, Lopez is a smart move.
Not sure - the offence would suffer
I’d rather see the Suns using more zone D against the lakers.
Feed the cutter!!!
by Piotr Szczesniak on Jan 9, 2012 4:52 PM MST up reply actions
Good call
And we have a bit of depth now, with Morris and Frye at 4.
He is slow in the post. He can get up and down the floor pretty quickly for a big guy, but he doesn’t react very quickly and his post moves are pretty slow-developing most times.
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Don't make excuses for Lopez
He simply isn’t very good. He had one game where he looked great, and has come back to earth since.
by hubertdavisfor3 on Jan 9, 2012 10:11 AM MST up reply actions
This sounds like someone that is just looking at the boxscore and not watching the actual games.
by Chris_Coffel on Jan 9, 2012 10:12 AM MST up reply actions
Meh
He hasn’t sucked or been terrible by any means, but he still could be playing much better. A lot of silly fouls still, and I would like to see him at least grab 5 rebounds in every game minimum.
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Agreed
"We never tried Amar'e, Nash, and a live Grizzly bear." -Scott Howard, January 18, 2010
"All they’re fighting for is to stay as obscenely rich as they are now, based on their ability to bounce a ball and throw it in a hole." East Bay Ray, October 10, 2011
"the players and owners are squabbling over how to divide the pie that WE BAKE FOR THEM." East Bay Ray, October 31, 2011
i actually don't look at stats and only watch the games.
Other than the first game, where he was awesome, he can’t catch, continues to bring the ball down and get it ripped by guards, turns it over, makes stupid fouls, sets bad picks, and generally has little impact on the game. The reason he isn’t playing with Nash is because Gentry sees all of this and knows that other guys need to get minutes because they are productive and Lopez isn’t.
by hubertdavisfor3 on Jan 9, 2012 5:11 PM MST up reply actions
is that effort or emotion?
won’t argue either. But I play hard too and nobody is paying me anymore…
by hubertdavisfor3 on Jan 9, 2012 8:20 PM MST up reply actions
right but are you a beloved, fan fave backup to Kobe Bryant on a two-time defending champ team?
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you are only beloved by the Lakers
that carries no weight in the rest of the league. Ask Lou.
by hubertdavisfor3 on Jan 10, 2012 5:44 PM MST up reply actions
I think you are way off.
His impact on the court is very visible in the interior defense he provides. If you cant see that then I cant help you.
"We never tried Amar'e, Nash, and a live Grizzly bear." -Scott Howard, January 18, 2010
"All they’re fighting for is to stay as obscenely rich as they are now, based on their ability to bounce a ball and throw it in a hole." East Bay Ray, October 10, 2011
"the players and owners are squabbling over how to divide the pie that WE BAKE FOR THEM." East Bay Ray, October 31, 2011
you are right, I cant see that.
we have not played anyone with an interior presence to worry about [save for Aldridge, and he clearly was tired]. Tonight is a different story.
by hubertdavisfor3 on Jan 10, 2012 5:46 PM MST up reply actions
In the first game lopez played with nash alot with gortat being limited due to his thumb
Now hes playing wiyh price and brown who dont get him the rock.
boxscores womt show that. Unless youve seen price and browns assist numbers. (they like ike avg 4 between them both)
Poor guardplay equals subpar lopez who is still way better than last yeat
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by phxpurple on Jan 9, 2012 1:03 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
WHile this is true,
hubert has a valid point as well. Lopez hasn’t looked that good, and I’m talking about what he us doing individually.
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I think it was unwarranted
I popped in a few times and saw all the negativity and I thought he did fine. He came nicely off a screen once, was running great on the break and got at least and 1 foul driving to the hoop that I can recall. He is still new to the team…
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I agree
I think he already is looking much improved from the first game or two… He just doesn’t need to be creating his own offense haha.
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Disagree
He looks completely the same, it’s just that the team plays a little better so he gets more running opportunities.
Main issue – he shoots contested 20 foot jumpers with a hand in his face like it was all he knew. In a way – it is not his but the coaches fault (barring he is a total idiot who doesn’t listen what he is told)
Once again: HE NEEDS TO CUT WITHOUT THE BALL. Nash/ Price will find him – more running off the ball, less ISO madness and he’ll be fine.
Feed the cutter!!!
by Piotr Szczesniak on Jan 9, 2012 4:49 AM MST up reply actions
Or...
The coaching staff needs to help Brown out by not putting him in those spots, because it seems to me like a plan, not really something Brown is doing off his own bat.
I worry that Phoenix continues to put backups in roles they can;t play. It happened last year with Brooks (who is a scorer and corner 3 guy, not a PnR distributor), and it is happening this year as well with Brown and Price. At some point, you have to say the coaching staff is to blame more so than the players.
right. We should stop expecting our guards to initiate offense…
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by Alex Laugan on Jan 9, 2012 6:57 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
sarcasm... I love it.
But actually we… SHOULD.
Does anyone want Dudley to go 1-on-1 with his guy?
Brown is not a guy who can kill his marker off the dribble (he can rather kill himself with the ball).
I don’t see a problem with Price initiating a PnR with Lopez while Brown is looking to cut from the baseline as a secondary option. Or guys setting a series of off-ball picks for Brown to get him an open 20-footer just like Gortat and Frye do for Nash.
I am 100% sure he is a better player if used right.
Feed the cutter!!!
by Piotr Szczesniak on Jan 9, 2012 7:21 AM MST up reply actions
Price is terrible as well
He get further than Brown, but usually it is further into trouble, as he looks wild, and has his head down.
Some backups PGs, Price included, are relly defenders who can dribble a ball upcourt. Anything else is over extending them.
Agreed
… because both Price and Brown have proven they can’t, expecting then to initiate the offence becomes an exercise in denial. I guess you could hope, but expecting, given the evidence, seems odd.
I can’t imagine anyone on our coaching staff saying, “Hey, Shannon, dribble out the clock and then jack up a contested 26 footer.”
by Chris_Coffel on Jan 9, 2012 10:14 AM MST up reply actions
maybe they talk too fast!
Feed the cutter!!!
by Piotr Szczesniak on Jan 9, 2012 10:41 AM MST up reply actions
That isn't our offence
Brown and Price get plenty of screens set – they just seem unable to use them effectively.
If they say
“Shannon, you get the ball up top and create” this is the result you get. Why else does he even HAVE the ball in those spots?
Suppossed to as in a SG should
Or Brown is thought to be able to do that? From Hollinger
Brown’s biggest problem is that his outside shot looks great but doesn’t go in as often as you might think. He made 34.9 percent of his 3s and really struggled on long 2s — he shot just 32.2 percent between 10 and 23 feet. The fact Brown shot so many long 2s instead of 3s also hurt his numbers, and the reliance on 20-footers explains why such a good athlete could have one of the lowest free throw rates at his position… Brown also struggles to create for himself, lacking a particularly elusive handle and sometimes dribbling himself into bad spots.
About sums up what we have seen this year, so I’m not sure Brown’s play is a surprise.
Agreeing with Hollinger is not good for the soul...
regardless if it’s true…
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by Daryl Ray on Jan 10, 2012 5:49 AM MST up reply actions 2 recs
Pretty easy to sum up that game....
The Suns played awesome – that is all.
It was only called the mildly irritated house on McDowell until I showed up.
The real reason he ran off to Australia is because he didn't wanna play us.
He saw this video and instantly freaked him out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-M-g5wZ5js4
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Dear God
I was watching that game when that happened… Still can hardly watch it
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Amar´e sure pushed him
He might not wanted him to get injure, but men i freaking know, and i am not a pro att basketball, that you NEVER but NEVER EVER PUSH SOMEONE IN THE AIR !
Blind enough to believe on Pudgemonster.
He lightly pushed him which I can understand when you're frustrated trying to defend someone on a fast break, but that was enough to make him fall sideways.
Barbosa was just like OH CRAP WHAT JUST HAPPENED.
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Lol, we didn't think that way when it actually happened
The Amar’e hate on this website has gone overboard.
Don't trade Dudley!
Seriously...right now Amare could fart and we'd want him waterboarded...
Guy gave us 7 very good seasons and then went after the money. A lot of players do that. Just appreciate what he did for us and let it go. He’s a Knick now…
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by Daryl Ray on Jan 9, 2012 12:43 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Yep
We’ll probably retire his jersey at some point, so there’s no need to hate him. I don’t believe he’ll have as much success in New York or anywhere else as he’s had here. He’s starting to pickup all these little nagging injuries now to go with his big injuries and so I don’t think his body will hold up. I understand he wanted the money, but if I were him, I would have chosen Phoenix because of their medical staff.
I’ll admit though, I didn’t like Marion so much in 07-08 because he and Sarver were responsible for ending the 7SOL era, but got to get over it. The guy was great and really fun to watch for 8 and 1/2 years.
Don't trade Dudley!
I just looked at a pretty good article..
That had the 50 greatest NBA power forwards of all time…STAT was 17 & ’Trix was 21…Good article…Reminder me of a few great players I had almost forgotten about…
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/555788-nba-power-rankings-tim-duncan-and-the-50-best-power-forwards-of-all-time#/articles/555788-nba-power-rankings-tim-duncan-and-the-50-best-power-forwards-of-all-time/page/51
STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....! BTW, If positivity is a crime, I plead guilty by reason of T-Bird...!
I hope I’m not being included this ‘amare hate’ comment.
I didn’t want Sarver to offer 5 guaranteed years. That’s all. No hate. Just business.
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by Alex Laugan on Jan 9, 2012 5:29 PM MST up reply actions 3 recs
This.
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Word city.
Though my stance does soften a bit given they probably should have seen this whole amnesty thing coming.
No longer trying to light Vince Carter on fire.
I still can't believe the Knicks blew their amnesty on Billups instead of saving it for Amare
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
by rsavaj on Jan 9, 2012 6:10 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
But Tyson Chandler = championship, right?
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He's doing great for them
Augustin had an open lane with about a minute left in the game last night, and he hesitated, simply because Chandler had been wreaking weak-side havoc all game. That’s what having Tyson on your team does…
Still won’t be enough for a championship, IMO.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
good point. However, amnesty only helps those under the cap in terms of signing new players to replace your amnestied person.
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Totally understand
I wasn’t including you. In fact, I really wasn’t including anybody. I don’t keep track of who said what about a certain player. People have their right to believe or think or like whoever they want to. I wouldn’t read too much into my comment.
Don't trade Dudley!
Exactly just business...
We have to keep things in perspective…
STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....! BTW, If positivity is a crime, I plead guilty by reason of T-Bird...!
When I initially saw this in real time, I didn’t think Amar’e did anything wrong. Watching the replay now and I feel the same way. He was chasing him down and his momentum carried him into Bogut. Combine that with Bogut’s own momentum and letting go when he did and you get the brutal fall. In no way do I think it was a flagrant foul. It was like he gave him a hard shove.
When watching this game live I was watching with a friend who started laughing uncontrollably after this play happened. That was quite odd.
by Chris_Coffel on Jan 9, 2012 12:46 PM MST up reply actions
I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that was during our 28-7 finish
It’s Ironic because we started to develop a bad guy reputation at that point. Frye even said that they wanted to play tough and gain that reputation, so the refs would give us a break during the playoffs just like they always would to the Spurs. Before you know it the Pacers are calling us a dirty team and then suddenly we’re in the playoffs and the Blazers are calling us dirty. We finally got to experience what it’s like to be on the “dark side” that year. And you know what, I kind of liked it.
What sucked though is that we stopped playing that way against the Lakers and ended up getting crushed the first two games. It’s all because we tried to be the 7SOL team again and run them down just because the Thunder had had some success using that strategy against them. Everybody blames Lopez’s injury or the missed rebound, but it was the first two games which we’re the only games since our season turnaround where we abandoned who we were and tried to be someone else.
Sorry for getting off topic.
Don't trade Dudley!
Yeah it was during that stretch. It was amazing. I loved seeing the guys play that way. I remember being at that Pacers game and instantly having a whole lot of hate for Granger. When the Pacers came back next year I was already to boo him every time he touched the ball and it seemed like nobody in the crowd remembered what happened the previous year.
I still can’t get over the fact that a team that had Juwan Howard could ever even dare to think about possibly considering to call another team dirty.
Haha juan howard
What a mess
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by phxpurple on Jan 9, 2012 1:19 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
Makes me so happy
Love watching the games when we play so well. I hope we can keep it up right now and rack up some wins in a stretch. They were without a few players (mainly Bogut) but we still had to take care of business and that is what we did.
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Mark my words." Piotr Szczesniak 12/12/11 2:12 PM
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I wonder how would Morris body is going to hold up to so many minutes
I know Morris needs time to develop and besides he is a great contributor to the game, but one thing every rookie can´t stand is playing so many games, and with the shortened season, i think we should be a little more cautious with the minutes given to him, 30 mpg is just a little too high.
Blind enough to believe on Pudgemonster.
If Nash and Hill are able to do it
The Rookies damn well better be able to as well…
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He's not playing 30 mpg.
Closer to 22.
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At 22-25 minutes, and only 66 games…. really shouldn’t be a problem
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I did think after the double double he could have came out
But we have no other big with silo out. still any extra exp for the rook for now is good.
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by phxpurple on Jan 9, 2012 7:06 AM MST via Android app up reply actions
True, but Lino's point is still valid.
With the way Markieff is tearing it up so far, it will be tempting to have him on the floor more and we should be wary of overusing him. This season will be a bigger physical challenge than he’s ever faced before, by far.
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by East Bay Ray on Jan 9, 2012 10:31 AM MST up reply actions
Ha, Keef laughs at the thought of a physical challenge!
by Chris_Coffel on Jan 9, 2012 10:34 AM MST up reply actions
He has exceeded all expectations so far, no doubt about that.
I’m just trying to contain my burgeoning man crush on him.
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by East Bay Ray on Jan 9, 2012 10:39 AM MST up reply actions
Not me.
I want to climb to the top of the tallest mountain and shout, “I love you Keeeeeeeeeeeeef!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”
by Chris_Coffel on Jan 9, 2012 11:23 AM MST up reply actions 3 recs
Do it.
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Didn't you read his interview with Wil before the season?
The NBA is nothing compared to what he went through at Kansas.
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This was the funnest game to watch so far this season
Even more fun than the Portland game. I really like Morris’ game and hope he develops even more in the years to come. I can’t wait until we play Minnesota. Nash vs. Rubio will be fun to watch although I wish it was Rubio backing up Nash instead. Morris vs. Williams will be fun too. We’ll be able to see if Morris can back up his comment about Williams how he wouldn’t be able to play well if Morris was guarding him. As for Brown…let’s just hope he stops chucking so much. He said the problem with him last year is that he became a shooter instead of a basketball player…well he’s still a jump shooter judging from the way he plays. There was one play where Nash passed him the ball and expected it back. Instead, Brown stood there behind the 3 point line with someone in front of him and just chucked it. I think the the shot clock was about to run out though. Overall, good game. Hopefully this brutal upcoming roadtrip with the Lakers, Bulls, and Knicks will treat us well.
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I'm going to try to go up there again when PHX heads to Minny.
Hopefully Steve plays more than 20 minutes in that game.
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I am going up there for that game.
I rock so get used to it.
by Colton Dodson on Jan 9, 2012 8:15 AM MST up reply actions
goran dragic played well in his two starts so far
really wishing we never traded him, we desperatly need comptient a backup pg
by Berecki on Jan 8, 2012 10:32 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
seriously, signing telfair and price was a joke.
ive been down on this team, but im starting to think we have a chance to be decent. we HAVE to trade for a backup pg though or else we have no chance in this season where nash cant get rest
agreed
i think confidence can make the suns a contender. along with execution and hitting shots, which is what theyve done the past two games.
enjoy the W peeps.
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by Wil Cantrell on Jan 8, 2012 10:46 PM MST up reply actions
i bet we can pry away luke ridonour from the T wolves
they got rubio and JJ barea they just signed to a long deal. he would be a great backup to nash
I think Gentry is making the necessary adjustments
Tonight we saw Shannon and Markieff get some early minutes with the starters followed by Dudley and Gortat getting some time with the bench. Once JD & Gortat subbed in Price played off the ball, they worked a lot of cuts and the offense looked pretty nice.
A backup PG would be nice, but I think this team can make the playoffs as is. We had pretty ideal backups in Dragic and Brooks last year and it didn’t guarantee any rest for Nash, just let the bench grow and find their identity.
by hcblankscreen on Jan 8, 2012 10:58 PM MST up reply actions
nash is 200 years old
and this season has so many more games in less time. we have to have a backup pg
There's no way we get a bakcup PG without sacrificing a significant piece
With the goals that this team has, I’d say they’re best off building with the pieces we already have.
by hcblankscreen on Jan 9, 2012 1:42 AM MST up reply actions
I think when redd comes off the bench it will help calm that 2nd unit down
Him being a Savy vet who can be a play maker. I want the ball in his hands over anyone else. But I think price is coming along. Remember hes in a way knew system but has the potentials to be our guy. He just needs more time and needs to have the ball in his hands more but brown is hindering his learning. Price has great dribble drive ability which will allow him to draw defenders then kick out to redd/dudz warrick and morris. price also defends at a great level to make up for his low assist numbers
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by phxpurple on Jan 9, 2012 6:39 AM MST via Android app up reply actions
Word
Brooks>>>>>>>>Price and Telfair
I wish he waited just a few days longer.
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Not sure about
Brooks much better than Price
Price finishes better around the basket and is much better defensively.
His shooting is obviously worse, but he is more of a classic PG.
Not sure if we should spend more on Brooks this year. Give this team some time to jell.
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by Piotr Szczesniak on Jan 9, 2012 8:14 AM MST up reply actions
Definitely would take Price over Brooks
Brooks might be able to initiate his own offense but I would take Price for his defense and “game manager” mentality.
Game manager mentality?
Price can’t manage a game.
Brooks is a better player. We just didn’t see him at his best.
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Or perhaps the D-League.
Mike James did well for himself today.
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Luke Ridnour?
With Barea an Rubio, I’m not even sure if they have a use for Ridnour anymore.
Don't trade Dudley!
Yea when barea gets back hes gone
Maybe we trade telfair or chilly for him and one of their crappy bigs
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by phxpurple on Jan 9, 2012 1:08 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
They do need a SG
Id just hate to still have 4pg on our team but if LR makes a good enough impact itd be worth it
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by phxpurple on Jan 9, 2012 1:13 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
They'd probably take back Price instead of a 2nd rounder.
We’d be left without a backup SG, but who knows maybe Redd would work out.
Don't trade Dudley!
Lol well we still have chilly
Thats a scary thought though.
I think Redds gonna be ok though. His knees has been long healed since back when he rehab last year for the bucks. If he can give a solid 20 min ,at leas,a night well be ok
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by phxpurple on Jan 9, 2012 1:23 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
Look for
shannon brown to play some backup point minutes when redd cracks the line-up.
skitsophrenics are never alone-Just ask scott howard
Remember the last pg we traded to a texas team that came back to phx?
I beleive his name was….nash
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by phxpurple on Jan 8, 2012 11:02 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
Well..
I miss Dragic as much as the next guy, but if we had Brooks right now, that would have been huge as well. hard to judge since he’s currently in China unfortunately.
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I'm not hating price
Enough Bitchin' lets do this
by 2NASHTY on Jan 8, 2012 11:36 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Me too
At least he defends lol.
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that guy
plays like he has steel bolls…doesn’t mean he always plays good. but still.
Enough Bitchin' lets do this
by 2NASHTY on Jan 8, 2012 11:49 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Behind all that awful spelling lies a great basketball mind.
"The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty."
"In the long run the pessimist may be proved right, but the optimist has a better time on the trip."
hey!
did you get my email…I thought of you
Enough Bitchin' lets do this
by 2NASHTY on Jan 9, 2012 6:16 PM MST up reply actions 3 recs
That's awesome. Rec'd.
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Yeah, I got it.
We’re nice. Bitch.
As we say in Vahmahnt – “lovin’ ya!”
"The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty."
"In the long run the pessimist may be proved right, but the optimist has a better time on the trip."
I agree on Price not being bad.
He’s sort of a more athletic Dowdell.
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by East Bay Ray on Jan 9, 2012 10:35 AM MST up reply actions
Agreed.
I think its the combo of Price and Brown that is troublesome.
by Chris_Coffel on Jan 9, 2012 11:24 AM MST up reply actions
I think redd will help a ton
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by phxpurple on Jan 9, 2012 1:09 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
I like that comparison
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Morris’ per 36 stats are stellar on top of everything else
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When is Aaron Brooks coming back?
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March, but he's still a RFA
and I guarantee you there will be tons of teams willing to overpay a backup PG in March.
I’d rather we threw money at JR Smith than Brooks when it comes time.
by hcblankscreen on Jan 8, 2012 11:00 PM MST up reply actions
Smith is a hobo
I dont see him being a need for us. If were doing good in march then we wont need to bother and if were sucking and out thr playoffs then why mess up the lottery pick
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by phxpurple on Jan 8, 2012 11:07 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
Smith is Shannon Brown x 1,000,000
He may never realize his potential, but as far as talent and athleticism go the guy is top 10. If we’re desperate enough to sign Redd, throwing a contract at a guy like JR Smith is a very realistic option.
by hcblankscreen on Jan 8, 2012 11:35 PM MST up reply actions
Wilson Chandler!
Especially if Hill retires after this season.
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Yep
He’s the one we should be targeting.
"The Knicks with the swiss cheese defense.
...Vince Carter likes cheese." -Walt Frazier
I don't think the Suns can afford to lose him
We traded Dragic and a draft pick for him, I don’t think we’re just going to let him leave like that.
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Yes, I understand
but I don’t think they are just going to let him go and call it a lose. They obviously liked him if they traded that much for him, and as far as I’m concerned Telfair and Pice are bad, plus I don’t think that there’s anyone who stands out in this upcoming FA class. Westbrook, Love, Williams, Howard will all be gone, and that leaves us with Gordon (doubtful), Gallinari, Mayo and Diaw…ugh.
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Price is bad on Offence but
His D is really good – so we aren’t getting slaughtered when he plays. Brooks was woeful on both ends last year.
I think Brooks will come back and get a few looks, but maybe the best we can hope for is a trade to a contender for what will be pick 29 or 30. Brooks would be no worse than Bibby was last year.
Price D is great
And I think his passing will improve as the rotations get better which they have. Hes still new and spilt time with telfair in preseason so hes finally coming into shape. Brown just needs to let him do all the dribbling.
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by phxpurple on Jan 9, 2012 6:41 AM MST via Android app up reply actions
13 points, 10 rebounds, 2 blocks.
You forgot the 3 assists, 0 turnovers, and just 1 foul. He has a really, really nice all around game. I love it when my big man can pass. It makes the offense flow so much better and also gives us some versatility.
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He looked great out there
and for example, look at Lopez’s box score… You would think it was Morris who was several seasons deep into his NBA career!!
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Yeah, I did just that...
Glad I didn’t have to see how he created that stat line.
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He only play good with a good pg
Brown in the secing unit stops all positive ball movement to the bigs down low. Thats why keiff hangs by the 3line. Replace brown with redd and you have a nice athletically defensive 2nd unit that can score. Price can help cover redds defensive woes
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by phxpurple on Jan 8, 2012 11:30 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
Yeah Maybe...
But the dude can still grab boards. If he’s grabbing boards, he can make his own offense. We shouldn’t have to call his number all the time to get him scoring. I want to see him grab an O board and then put it back in. He had zero tonight. No excuse for that.
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We did when he was in the game
See the comment about Brown shooting contested shots every time he caught the ball.
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I was just ghosting brew hoop
Really sad mentality over there. Nothing but lottery talk. They were all shocked Kieff could shoot 3’s and were hatin on gortat. They also dissed us for signing jchill but then were sad that they didnt sign hak last year
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by phxpurple on Jan 8, 2012 11:27 PM MST via Android app reply actions
they just watched the bucks get thier asses handed to them
would we be any different
Enough Bitchin' lets do this
Hey...
When we lose, we hate on our own guys. Not players from the opposing team, unless they’re the Lakers or Spurs. That’s how classy we are.
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I'd add Heat and Celtics
just to even out East and West
Phoenix Suns and Steve Nash. That is all.
Hating on Gortat?
How so?
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There were talking how if bogut was there he would have owned gortat
Based off previous meeting between the them 2 years ago when Tat was still backing howard
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by phxpurple on Jan 9, 2012 12:16 AM MST via Android app up reply actions
Sadly that is true
The last time it was painful to watch.
Still I think Gortat was a little sad he didn’t get to show his improved D against the likes of Bogut.
Feed the cutter!!!
by Piotr Szczesniak on Jan 9, 2012 4:53 AM MST up reply actions
I don't know why, but this made me laugh.
"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley
I was glad to see Channing get his shot going
We weren’t even at halftime and he had hit as many three’s in this game as he had all season… We need more nights like this from him.
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We've got everybody in rhythm for the Lakers.
I’m definitely gonna have fun in the game threads with that whole “Metta World Peace” shit.
“World Peace is met at the top by the Polish Hammer!”
“I like it. Grant Hill is aggressive and backing down World Peace. I’d like to see more of that.”
“Hakim Warrick soars and rises over World Peace for the crush!”
Let’s enjoy these good times, shall we?
As long as we have Steve, I still believe!
I'm gonna do like I did last year and hope for a better result
I’m putting my sig on the line. lakers win, someone fro SSR who takes the bet can write my sig and I’ll keep for a week. Suns win, Vice Versa.
Enough Bitchin' lets do this
by 2NASHTY on Jan 9, 2012 12:10 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
If we lose, you're banned from BSotS until the week is up.
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All I want is to beat the Lakers
Fuck them.
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Im thinking about having a game party with my friend whose a laker fan
High risk I reward type situation seeing as im the only suns fan in Tennessee. Ton of faker fans everywhere though(although he is a legit fan)
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by phxpurple on Jan 9, 2012 6:44 AM MST via Android app up reply actions
Ah cool man
Where do you reside
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by phxpurple on Jan 9, 2012 1:12 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
Good old Run n' Gun plays were perfectly executed.
Although I was excited to see that the Suns finally clicked, I’m still not satisfied (And thank God for returning Frye Golden hands). How about we crush the Lakers on Tuesday like we did tonight? Then, I’ll be convinced. Also, I’m grateful that all of our Suns players are healthy. It seems health will be a huge key factor this season. Go SUNS!
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Is there any room for playing time for Michael Redd?
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It could cause some problems
Another case of which marginally talented player will outplay his marginally talented teammate on any given night. Unless Redd straight steals Shannon’s spot I think we’re in for some shaky play from the backup 2.
by hcblankscreen on Jan 9, 2012 1:38 AM MST up reply actions
My pick?
If Redd can perform he will be backup to Dudz and Brown will move to backup SF. He can play SF with his athletic and defensive ability – IF he stops gambling on defense.
It would move Warrick to getting a little more time at PF for some small ball.
That would change the rotation to something like:
Nash/ Price /Telfair
Dudley/ Redd
Hill / Brown / Warrick
Frye / Morris (Warrick)
Gortat / Lopez
Truth is that if Redd is back to his old self he is a starter (or best 6th man material). If he is far far away from his best – he will play 5-8 minutes + extended time while other players are injured.
Also with lots of back-to-backs I foresee Gentry sitting Grant for one game every now and then.
Feed the cutter!!!
by Piotr Szczesniak on Jan 9, 2012 5:00 AM MST up reply actions
Do we really need that big of a rotation?
I doubt we play Redd every game – it just seems a lot to ask – or Hill. I think we are more likely to see a 10- man rotation, but with players rested everyone gets a run. Brown will play when we need D, and/or to run and/or when someone needs a rest.
But I’m not convinced Redd will do much – although I hope desperately to be proven wrong.
Yea I agree thats a huge rotation
Warrick seems good at the 3alone I wouldnt move him just to acomadate brown.
Is redd outshoots brown then brown will fall out but with redds history he may not play everynight especially early on or on b2b and b2b2b. Im just scared that brown will be scared of losing his spot to redd and try to shoot even more.
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by phxpurple on Jan 9, 2012 6:49 AM MST via Android app up reply actions 1 recs
"Im just scared that brown will be scared of losing his spot to redd and try to shoot even more"
LoL. Can’t agree more.
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by PhoenixSons on Jan 9, 2012 11:38 AM MST via iPhone app up reply actions
To his credit gortat hasnt got fouled because his post game has been on point
Hes gets around defenders instead on through them. And for some reason when he goes up guys dont contest him super hard and go for the foul. Probably that hammer fear.
Or because they know hell hit his FTs
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by phxpurple on Jan 9, 2012 6:56 AM MST via Android app up reply actions
Will he?
He is shooting around 65% so far? Far from reliable
Feed the cutter!!!
by Piotr Szczesniak on Jan 9, 2012 7:24 AM MST up reply actions
Historically hes higher than that though isnt he
He shot like 73% last year when he came to the desert. Not bad for a center. He may be on a slow start like everyone else plus he got the thumb injury
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by phxpurple on Jan 9, 2012 1:18 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
Hope so.
His mechanics are decent
Feed the cutter!!!
by Piotr Szczesniak on Jan 9, 2012 2:07 PM MST up reply actions
Keeeeeeeef
And Nash is still a boss, as per usual
Carter having a glazed-eyes contest with Boris Diaw. Carter's winning, but Diaw might respond by eating his eyes.
Nice win.
Nothing but a win against a Milwaukee team hit by the injury bug would have been acceptable. We really do need a win against the Lakers and try to pinch a few wins from teams that we are not suppose beat, and make up for those two home loses.
I don’t want us to be a team that struggles around 500. only to miss the playoffs.
Smashing Portland was a great start lets hope it will continue. Is it just me or have the Lakers not played a game outside of California yet?
I think the Lakers have had a pretty rough schedule
They’ve played 10 games already, in comparison the Clippers have played 6. I guess Stern does hate the Lakers.
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Every team has to go through a stretch like that.
I don’t think they teams they have played have been all that tough, though.
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Ha yea its wierd but im sure it was on purpose
They had the first b2b2b of the season and already are at like 10 games. Clippers just now got to 6
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by phxpurple on Jan 9, 2012 6:57 AM MST via Android app up reply actions
ESPN had to rub it in
“Both of the latest Suns victories were one-sided affairs against worn-out teams playing the second of back-to-back nights.”
Alea iacta est!
true, but in the past the Suns were always “surprised” by those teams
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It is absolutely true and we can't ignore that.
But even so, the team is playing much better. And open jumper is an open jumper no matter how tired the other team is, and we’re finally hitting those shots.
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Well, that's true
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
(Note to self:)
Put ESPN analysts on list of folks to torch….
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Bit unfair About Marcus Morris being in the D League
He is playing pretty flippin’ well in rthe D League 32.5 ppg, 14.0 rbs, 3.5 ast,.5 stls and 4/10 3 FGs is a pretty good return in two games. Really looks like Marcus and Markieff have the same shot, as Marcus’s three looks smooood.
Haha
it’s the D-League though. I also noticed he has a poor FT percentage.
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Watch the highlights
http://www.nba.com/dleague/games/20120106/DAKRGV/gameinfo.html#nbaGIboxscore Marcus’s jumper looks smooth. High arc, very good looking jumper. As for FTs, no idea why he is low, but maybe a bit of rust?
In was down on Marcus, then I watched the highlights – he looks alright!
Marcus would flourish on a team like boston
They need youth and a small forward and bigs.
But yea those numbers arent to bad seeing as he just came in.
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by phxpurple on Jan 9, 2012 7:00 AM MST via Android app up reply actions
I have a D league question
If a coach does good doesnt that make his job harder because wont all his talent get called up to the pros midseason? Like a coach goes 14-2 then the affilate team up his best 2 stars so now he gets only scrubs to work with. Like how can it be really competitive when being good get your players shipped out
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by phxpurple on Jan 9, 2012 7:03 AM MST via Android app up reply actions
Yes.
Coaches and GMs in the D-League have incredibly difficult jobs. Rosters are constantly changing, but they have to do their job anyway.
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Crazy stuff
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by phxpurple on Jan 10, 2012 3:00 AM MST via Android app up reply actions
Agreed on Marcus
The guy’s a very good player. If we’d drafted him instead of Kieff, there’s no doubt in my mind that he’d be the one headed for the all-rookie team. He just needs opportunity.
What’s interesting to me, though, is how well Kieff’s emerging from his brother’s shadow now that he’s on his own for the first time.
Bottom line, they’re both NBA ready (thank you Danny Manning), but Kieff got a team that needed him right away.
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by suns68 on Jan 9, 2012 8:58 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
So you’re saying Marcus is better than Markieff? He’s in the D-league for a reason, and no matter how well a player performs in the development league, the NBA is a whole new level.
I ddn't say that Marcus is better than Markieff...
What I am saying is that if we’d drafted Marcus, he’d probably be doing about what Markieff is doing for us now.
The difference, it seems to me, is that Marcus went to a team that doesn’t perceive to have an immediate need for him and thus he wound up in the D League.
The record is pretty clear that at Kansas, Markieff deferred a lot of the scoring duty to his brother, hence my comment that he seems to be getting out of Marcus’ shadow as a scoring forward.
I’m tempted to say that I’d be willing to trade any three of our four backup guards to rescue Marcus out of D-League purgatory. But I can’t really advocate for that because right now I think Kieff will develop better on his own.
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by suns68 on Jan 9, 2012 5:31 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
But I can’t really advocate for that because right now I think Kieff will develop better on his own.
agreed with this 100%. Markieff is developing into his own man, and I like the player he’s becoming. Bring Marcus here in 2 years or so.
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Well, Chandler Parsons (another tweener forward rookie) is still on the active roster while Marcus is the one in the D-League.
Markieff has a well-defined, NBA-ready game right now. Marcus is more of a tweener with a skill set to match. Those types of players can really flourish in the D-League, while they often struggle to find a place in the NBA.
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Let's play a fun game.
Guess who’s D-League stats these are:
27.7 PPG, 53.1% FG, 39.8% 3PT, 6 rbs, 1.4 steals in 21 games.
No longer trying to light Vince Carter on fire.
by Scott Howard on Jan 9, 2012 9:24 AM MST up reply actions 7 recs
That would be Alando Tucker from 2007-08
No longer trying to light Vince Carter on fire.
by Scott Howard on Jan 9, 2012 10:13 AM MST up reply actions 3 recs
We should get that guy!
And then start a coalition…
"The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty."
"In the long run the pessimist may be proved right, but the optimist has a better time on the trip."
Yeah, I'm still alive.
I’ve dropped a few comments around in the last week or so, but nobody seemed to notice. I’ve been lurking in the shadows – haven’t had time to get into any sparring matches. Besides, Jim has kept me busy with my thesaurus. Damn, he drops a lot of big words – and I though I was verbose!
Not a lot of basketball up here in Vermont – just snow. I finally got to watch some of the game last night, though – I’m liking it. Don’t know what’s going to happen this season, but we’ve got some players, and some really good big men – can’t go wrong with that. I hope I get to watch the game tomorrow – doesn’t start until 11:30 here, so the prospects aren’t good.
I’m glad I kept the faith on Hak and Rolo – Chilly will be OK, too. The season plays out…
"The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty."
"In the long run the pessimist may be proved right, but the optimist has a better time on the trip."
Always look on the Bright Side of Life…
"The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty."
"In the long run the pessimist may be proved right, but the optimist has a better time on the trip."
Yeah,
Sun God does his best, but no one really takes the words of a drunk very seriously.
Go Suns, Packers, Jays, and Huskers!
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I don't.
STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....! BTW, If positivity is a crime, I plead guilty by reason of T-Bird...!
SG is my deity of choice.
Not a lot of rules – but lots of basketball and T-bird (communion).
"The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty."
"In the long run the pessimist may be proved right, but the optimist has a better time on the trip."
Haremoor back to help me with the unbelieving...
It ain’t easy being positive (and crazy) around here, sometimes….
STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....! BTW, If positivity is a crime, I plead guilty by reason of T-Bird...!
This is great.
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by Dragic_is_Magic on Jan 9, 2012 3:02 PM MST up reply actions
Why could Tucker never shoot like in the NBA?
He went to the D LEague to work on his shot, and it looked good. Came back and couldn’t play. I never got why, but Tucker never seemed to put it together at NBA level.
probably because shots in the NBA are harder to get than in the D-league.
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by Alex Laugan on Jan 10, 2012 6:45 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Yes.
In fact, often times it’s the role players that get called up (like Greg Stiemsma) more than the stars. Their game is more translatable.
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Before the Lakers game
Now I liked what I saw from the team but ahead of the Lakers game I have my doubts:
1. Where is Lopez? – he rebounds (which was bound to happen after he got back his vertical) but he is playing bad on offense and misses lots of defensive assignments. If he isn’t ready for Bynum (Gortat will quite possibly get extended minutes against Gasol) we are doomed.
2. Rebounds – we got outrebounded by a team without a Center! Our PF’s / SF’s are not boxing out properly. To stand a chance against the Laker twin towers we need to man up! This is vital – if Lakers gett a lot of second chances – we are doomed.
3. Brown vs. the world – if this doesn’t stop (and against his former team I can see Brown going crazy and shooting contested 40 footers just to show KB8 who’s king) it completely fucks up the chemistry of the second unit.
4. FT – we are not getting enough of them andd shooting a low %. Gortat was great (9/10 shooting) but why didn’t he get to the line even once in the last two games? We need to earn more trips to the line because the lakers will get the benefit of a doubt from the refs.
Now the positives (besides the obvious – Nash being Nash and Frye finding his range):
1. Gortat hitting that 18 footer – it’s absolutely key to dismantling Laker defence. If Bynum/ Gasol have to step out for Gortat, we have a chance on the offensive glass and a lot of space for cutters (Brown/ Dudley). Lately he’s been money with it.
2. Hak hitting his mid range shots – that is more unexpected than Gortat’s jumpshot. If he can consistantly hit that wing shot – we stretch the D even furtherand we get chances for rebounds.
3. Morris 3-point range – WOW, we have a Frye of the second unit and that puts our team back in the comfort zone. If we can have Morris playing similar role to Frye (+ better rebounding and post play) – we have a chance of outscoring Lakers’ thin bench by a mile.
4. Hill’s smothering D – it’s no coincidence Jackson, Durant and Wallace were so bad against the Suns. If Hill can make Kobe shoot under 40% – we might be able to win this one…
All in all, I wouldn’t be surprised if we got blown out because of rebounding problems and the Lakers having a huge advantage in second chance points. If we can avoid that, it should be pretty close.
Feed the cutter!!!
by Piotr Szczesniak on Jan 9, 2012 5:18 AM MST reply actions
1. Lopez and Gortat versus an average center per 48 – Lopez biggest issue is fouls, and surprised to see how low Gortat’s rebounds are (althougb how many did he drop with that splint on?)
2. There were 46 (15 O, 31 D) rebounds on our end, and only 32 (7O, 25 D) on their end – they got 32.6% OReb, and we got 21.8%, so it was bad, but not as bad as it would seem, especially when they mostly out rebounded us in the first and last quarters
3. Come on dude – we blew them out – hard to be critical there, surely!
The Lakers game will comedown to fatigue, and who feels it most I reckon. Seems that is the season we are in!
re: 1, 3.
re: 1. Not sure if injury is really the reason for Gortat’s low numbers. IMO – on defense he has to concentrate on much more than rebounds. He contests a lot of jumpers from 15 feet, and rotates away from the basket on defense. If all goes well, he checks his own guy and lets the PF get the board (I guess this is the reason for Frye’s bloated RBD numbers, however, if something goes wrong, the other team gets an offensive board.
Now you can easily tell from the numbers how well iit is going…
re:2. Yep, but these were the BUCKS WITHOUT BOGUT!!! Ilyasova got 3 off boards and he is thiner than a pancake!
re: 3. Duh, we did.
But it’s lame to boast after rolling probably the worst team in the NBA (with all the players currently missing from their roster)
And it really is quite easy to be critical :)
We were ahead by just 5, mid-way through second – by 3. And all that while Nash handed out 12 assists and we shot over 60% from the field??!?!?!??
No just imagine what would the score be like against the Lakers with the same effort from our team?
Yeah, I thought so too…
Feed the cutter!!!
by Piotr Szczesniak on Jan 9, 2012 6:43 AM MST up reply actions
He has dropped plenty of balls this year
He looked so good once he removed the cast – and how was his postup game against Portland?
Ilyasova got 3 off boards and he is thiner than a pancake!
Ilyasova is a good rebounder and Rodman weighed 210, and he was the greatest rebounder ever – by a long shot. rebounding is definitely a concern, but if we shoot this well, we’ll be golden.
And it really is quite easy to be critical :)
Haha it is! I think, in all honesty that every game will come down to player fatigue. If you get a team when they are tired, you’ll win, and visa versa. Us resting players the last few games is really going to help there.
I still remember that tripple OT game
Time for revenge :>
Have to give the credit.
Suns have played well the last two. If Morris stays out of foul trouble he really can be quite a solid player. What a steal.
It is early, I will keep in tempered until more games are played and see where the Suns are at in the standings. So far, mildly impressed.
Just realized .500! Mediocrity never felt so good!
I rock so get used to it.
by Colton Dodson on Jan 9, 2012 8:22 AM MST reply actions 1 recs
lol who woulda thunk we had the best starting 5 AND the best 4-man combo in the league so far
especially after the first few ugly showings? Well apparently, we do!
http://www.nba.com/statistics/plusminus/plusminus.jsp
"I'm a nobody." - Steve Nash in 1997
Apparently not.
Though we do have some strong showings.
It was only called the mildly irritated house on McDowell until I showed up.
by Jim Coughenour on Jan 9, 2012 10:24 AM MST up reply actions
oh oops lol. i guess the one i posted was nightly leaders
"I'm a nobody." - Steve Nash in 1997
by PHXSunsRunNGun on Jan 9, 2012 10:28 AM MST up reply actions
Our backups are baaaad
Better than last year, but still bad. Plus minus is a dodgy stat though – a LOT of noise in the data.
Good win for the Suns...
Let’s keep it up against the Lakers…Need the same kind of intensity and offensive tempo to get a good showing…
Let’s Go Suns….!
STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....! BTW, If positivity is a crime, I plead guilty by reason of T-Bird...!
Gotta love a laugher W
even if it’s vs a sub-par banged up opponent. We are definitely getting better. Tough test in LA tomorrow but I’m confident we’ll rise to the occasion. Steve is Steve-ing at an amazing level and will eat Fisher’s lunch even more than usual. Brown should be inspired to play hard and (hopefully) smart. I am nervous about Gasol and Bynum. Maybe Morris can guard Gasol effectively with his mobility and strength. Kobe is playing hurt which should help. We’ll just sic BAMF on his whiney ass.
Goooo you Suuuns!
I just hope that Brown isn't too motivated...
And starts jacking up 40 footers….He just needs to play within himself…He doesn’t have to prove anything to anybody except his teammates that he can be a team player…..
STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....! BTW, If positivity is a crime, I plead guilty by reason of T-Bird...!
Might be his problem.
He’s playing for his next contract – and I get the feeling that’s all he’s playing for. While that brings the effort, it also stinks of attempting to inflate numbers.
borderline adequate
Yes. inflate your numbers and pay the price...
The flame-thrower is being warmed up as we speak…
STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....! BTW, If positivity is a crime, I plead guilty by reason of T-Bird...!
He is doing it wrong then
No way any team gives a player shooting .328 (.273 form 3) a big contract.
ohhh I didn’t think about that. Will Brown wilt? Or play great? Or play too hard and make a fool of himself? hmmmm….
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Well, if his previous games are anything to judge by,
I’d bet on #3.
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This happens most of the time.
The Suns usually wins when I don’t watch them.
Women were the reason I became a monk - and, ah, the reason I switched back... -Morte, Planescape Torment
Then u gotta take one for the team
2moro nite go watch some americas funniest home videos instead of the game ok?
"Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose"
by phxpurple on Jan 9, 2012 1:27 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
Don't worry I have 2 weeks more of busy schedule=)
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Fun Fact:
The last time the Phoenix Suns had a 2 wins that totaled 41 or more points was 651 days ago when on March 26-28th, 2010 the Suns beat the Knicks by 38 and then the Timberwolves by 6.
BAMF goes HAM.
That's a good thing...right...?
STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....! BTW, If positivity is a crime, I plead guilty by reason of T-Bird...!
yes. It goes back my comment on another thread: don’t discount these wins. Getting a blowout when you’re supposed to get a blowout is not always easy.
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what is it? (no patience to watch the whole video)
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Just watch the beginning.
Talking about Morris and BAMF. thought it would be interesting to some : p
by Reap3r on Jan 9, 2012 6:11 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Just gotta say it, although it's been said, many times many ways
Shannon Brown is a crappy basketball player. Truly bad. There’s always a guy like him on every high school team, who’s athletic but would be best playing a sport like volleyball where you don’t need basketball-type skills. He does so many things in fundamentally UN-sound ways, it’s not funny.
Everyone else is making me happy, though, except for poor BAMF slipping all the time out there!
No more messin' around - time to rise from the ashes!
by Frye (of Victoria, Canada) on Jan 10, 2012 12:36 AM MST reply actions
Brown would've been a great RB or WR
But you are right – as a BBall player, he lacks game skills.
We've got to make the best of this...
Where do the Cardinals need the most help besides everywhere…..?
STAT may be gone but the Suns will rise....! BTW, If positivity is a crime, I plead guilty by reason of T-Bird...!
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