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More Steve Nash Trade Speculation - This Time Portland?

No way this guy heads to Portland.  (Photo by Christian Petersen/Getty Images)

I have a grudging respect for John Hollinger's statistical analysis on the mothership, but very little respect for his talents playing an NBA General Manager. He's no better than us - he just has a better medium on which to post his ridiculous ideas as if there is value to them.

Nash is a free agent after the season and, as our Marc Stein noted earlier this year, his contract isn't extension-eligible. So any team trading for him would basically be taking him on as a rental. Who would do such a thing?

Well, the Blazers might. Portland has been undone by uneven backcourt play so far this year, something that obviously would change the second Nash showed up. And they have the perfect pieces to put into a deal. Raymond Felton has an expiring contract of his own that nearly matches Nash's, which means the deal basically comes down to prospects. Portland can offer two young guards -- Nolan Smith and Elliot Williams -- and possibly a future draft pick, as well.

Steve Nash to Portland is wrong on SO many levels:

1) His style demands control of the offense, while Nate McMillian likes clear playcalling from the bench

2) Portland plays defense in order to initiate offense. Nash does the opposite.

3) Hollinger suggests trading the 3 least valuable/liked players on the Blazers roster in exchange for the best player on the Suns (Nash)

4) Hollinger then speculates that "throwing in a draft pick" might close the deal. That's ridiculous. That comment implies all draft picks are the same value, so there's no need to qualify which pick in which year. Amateur trade rosterbation if I've ever seen it. The #2 pick in 2012? Sign me up! The #25 pick in 2012 or 2013? No thanks!

Why didn't Hollinger just write: "Trade one of my favorite NBA players (Steve Nash) to one of my two favorite NBA teams (Portland and Atlanta) for a player fans of my team all hate with a passion (Felton) and some ambiguous end-of-bench "youths" whose names we won't remember in 24 hours."

I've seen more realistic and less-biased trade suggestions on the BSotS fanposts!

[Update by Seth Pollack, 02/01/12 12:16 PM MST ]

The rosterbation king himself got in on the mix today as well with his own brand of b.s.:

There is plenty to ask when it comes to the 2011-12 NBA season - Grantland
But what if the Blazers offered Raymond Felton, Nic Batum (whom they just passed on extending) and $3 million for Nash, with the wink-wink caveat that Phoenix then had to buy out his buddy Grant Hill's contract so Hill could sign with Portland?

This deal at least makes more sense for the Suns if Batum is included although I'm not sure on what planet a "wink-wink" deal about buying out Grant is even in the neighborhood of reality.

But if Portland were dumb enough to offer Felton, Batum and their 1st round pick for Nash....that's a deal you have to listen to regardless of how poorly he'd fit there. Batum will be an RFA after this season so it would be huge for the Suns to get him under their control. He's legit.

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Good write up. It’s funny that guys get paid so much to speculate and to tell me what I already know. My team is mediocre. I get it.

by Icarus012 on Feb 1, 2012 11:12 AM MST via iPhone app reply actions  

that was the worst possible trade idea for Nash I’ve ever heard.

time for hollinger to put down the trade machine and think rationally.

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by Wil Cantrell on Feb 1, 2012 11:14 AM MST up reply actions  

it would..

have to be more than Felton, Elliott and Smith..

Maybe have us dump a contract, involve a 3rd team to take Felton and give the Suns more picks etc..

by TruthTelling on Feb 1, 2012 11:14 AM MST reply actions  

No. Nash is not going to Portland.

We all know better that this is a crap idea no matter how you try to dress it up.

Let's do this...!

by Daryl Ray on Feb 1, 2012 11:16 AM MST up reply actions  

It's good to know the syndicated sportswriters rosterbate as well...

I thought BSOTS had cornered the market on “pulling a trade out your ass…”

Let's do this...!

by Daryl Ray on Feb 1, 2012 11:14 AM MST reply actions  

we wouldnt have paid any attention to this idea of it was from the bleacher report or some other worthless source.

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by Wil Cantrell on Feb 1, 2012 11:15 AM MST up reply actions  

Please, we do a better job of rosterbating...

And we do it for free :)

Just because Steve Nash has that "dirty hipster" look doesn't mean he's in need of a shower. Steve Nash bathes in the tears of his victims on a nightly basis.

Mark of a Beast, baby. Mark of a Beast.

by NashMV3 on Feb 1, 2012 5:50 PM MST up reply actions  

Simmons had a similar idea on Grantland today

Here’s the link

Basically he likes the Nash for Felton, Batum and cash idea. Not as bad as Felton and scrubs, but still not great knowing we can just sign Batum as a FA if we really wanted him.

His other ideas are pretty awful (especially the Boston one, of course), but the Pacers trade wasn’t as terrible. Collison + 1st rd pick for Nash is palatable because Collison is young, and the pick could turn out decent.

Of course this is just Bill’s rosterbation session with zero credibility.

"The Knicks with the swiss cheese defense.
...Vince Carter likes cheese." -Walt Frazier

by ajcarleton on Feb 1, 2012 11:45 AM MST reply actions  

To me it all depends on what the front office is planning to do...

If the Suns are going to try to offer Nash another two year extension for around $8-10 mil a year after the season is over, then I would much rather keep him. However, if they plan on letting him walk after the season regardless, then I would rather get something for him now, since there’s little to no chance of making the playoffs this season anyway.

If they do deal him though, I would definitely look for a deal somewhere that includes a first round pick…Like the Collison + a 1st round pick deal from Bill Simmons that ajcarelton mentioned above. This draft is loaded with talent, and adding another first round pick would be worth much more to this team in the long run than just some role players on expiring contracts.

Personally, I would attempt to keep Nash for a couple more seasons…We simply won’t get a better value in free agency, and there aren’t any point guards in the draft this year that I would be comfortable with starting immediately to help turn this team around.

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by 7footer on Feb 1, 2012 12:19 PM MST reply actions  

I'd be all for it if we could...

But if we just paid Grant $6.5 mil then I seriously doubt Steve would come that cheap. In my opinion $8 million for Nash would still be a huge bargain based on what he does for this team.

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by 7footer on Feb 1, 2012 12:39 PM MST up reply actions  

Totally agreed, 7ft. Not many options out there at the PG. The draft is all SF, PF and C with a couple 2 guards in there (Beal, Lamb).

by BringBackBarkley17 on Feb 1, 2012 2:53 PM MST up reply actions  

Hate hearing about these types of trades

whenever they talk about the suns, its always a losing proposition for PHX. They just want to see good teams get better. Essentially, its the same lopsided deals we throw around here, only this is lopsided towards the other team. So, of course… F-that.

I kind of like sending Nash to the Pacers for Collison and a pick, or to Utah for Devin Harris and a pick. I’d like to see Nash happy while playing for a winning team.

Grant Hill for prez.

by sun-arc on Feb 1, 2012 12:20 PM MST via mobile reply actions  

What's the point?

Felton and Batum will be free agents just like Nash. The only thing that is guaranteed to be ours for more than a half a season is the first round pick.

Don't trade Dudley!

by Beavis 25 on Feb 1, 2012 12:31 PM MST reply actions  

And since Portland probably is a top 15 team this year...

It’s a mediocre mid-first round pick at best…Not much to pin our hopes on.

Let's do this...!

by Daryl Ray on Feb 1, 2012 12:35 PM MST up reply actions  

Not ideal

but its better than nothing. Plus, we could possibly package both the picks for a higher pick.

Just looking at it from the perspective if we have to trade Nash, I’d like to get a pick at least.

"The Knicks with the swiss cheese defense.
...Vince Carter likes cheese." -Walt Frazier

by ajcarleton on Feb 1, 2012 12:39 PM MST up reply actions  

their value

is probably going to a 3rd team so we can get pieces for the future

there was a rumor on realgm yesterday about a 4way with Lakers, Blazers, Wizards and Suns.

Basically I think

nash to portland
felton to Lakers
mcgee, blatche, draft picks to phoenix
whatever to washington

by TruthTelling on Feb 1, 2012 12:52 PM MST up reply actions  

This is worse than Hollinger's attempt at buffoonery...

Phoneix fans would just love McGee and Blatche, draft picks be damned….

Let's do this...!

by Daryl Ray on Feb 1, 2012 12:57 PM MST up reply actions  

Blatche

is big time negative trade value, we would likely hate him like Childress and Frye for his contract..

McGee is good but will get big money in the offseason but we have money to spend and having McGee we could go and explore the value of Gortat to get substantial rebuilding pieces in return.

by TruthTelling on Feb 1, 2012 1:00 PM MST up reply actions  

I was being sarcastic...

Blatche and McGee are probably the two biggest knuckleheads in the NBA…

Let's do this...!

by Daryl Ray on Feb 1, 2012 1:11 PM MST up reply actions  

idk

what are your expectations then..

McGee, Blatche and 1 or 2 later first round picks is something I would consider. Blatche makes it tough but it isn’t the worst value in the world for Nash.

by TruthTelling on Feb 1, 2012 1:17 PM MST up reply actions  

You can't be a true Suns fan...

Phoenix fans don’t want knuckle heads like these and we’d never accept them. It’s what we represent as a team.

Let's do this...!

by Daryl Ray on Feb 1, 2012 1:22 PM MST up reply actions  

Just read all of his posts the past few days. It’s obvious how he rolls.

by BringBackBarkley17 on Feb 1, 2012 2:55 PM MST up reply actions  

If only you still held your Sun God status...

But perhaps Overlord Seth could do something about TruthTelling’s far-from-the-truth username.

Just because Steve Nash has that "dirty hipster" look doesn't mean he's in need of a shower. Steve Nash bathes in the tears of his victims on a nightly basis.

Mark of a Beast, baby. Mark of a Beast.

by NashMV3 on Feb 1, 2012 5:53 PM MST up reply actions  

I'm sure he could...

but “Talking out the side of my neck” may be too long a Username for the system to handle…

Let's do this...!

by Daryl Ray on Feb 1, 2012 6:36 PM MST up reply actions  

Would “Talking out of my ass” suffice?

Just because Steve Nash has that "dirty hipster" look doesn't mean he's in need of a shower. Steve Nash bathes in the tears of his victims on a nightly basis.

Mark of a Beast, baby. Mark of a Beast.

by NashMV3 on Feb 1, 2012 6:58 PM MST up reply actions  

Nice haul for the Wiz.

No longer trying to light Vince Carter on fire.

by Scott Howard on Feb 1, 2012 1:01 PM MST up reply actions  

The Wiz are like old NES's

Gotta keep blowing the dust out and hoping that the reset button will make the game work sooner or later.

"The Knicks with the swiss cheese defense.
...Vince Carter likes cheese." -Walt Frazier

by ajcarleton on Feb 1, 2012 1:03 PM MST up reply actions  

Haha!!!

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by 7footer on Feb 1, 2012 1:06 PM MST up reply actions  

Except the batum is restricted and Portland is likely to match an offer.

Batum has been a deal breaker in several trades over the last 3 years. They consider him a major piece in building for the future. That they are letting the market decide his value as a restricted free agent I doubt changes that.
So I seriously doubt the Blazers would let him go to rent Nash.

by Dekko on Feb 1, 2012 11:10 PM MST up reply actions  

Concrete jungle where dreams are made of?

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by 7footer on Feb 1, 2012 12:40 PM MST up reply actions  

Is everything bigger there...?

"The Knicks with the swiss cheese defense.
...Vince Carter likes cheese." -Walt Frazier

by ajcarleton on Feb 1, 2012 1:01 PM MST up reply actions  

Ewwww....

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by 7footer on Feb 1, 2012 1:09 PM MST up reply actions  

indeed

…but what color am i thinking of?

by 2NASHTY on Feb 1, 2012 1:10 PM MST up reply actions  

With you..who knows...

Ae you thinking Nash goes back to Dallas…?

Let's do this...!

by Daryl Ray on Feb 1, 2012 1:13 PM MST up reply actions  

That time on SS&R has corrupted you...

You would have never thought a thing like that before…

Let's do this...!

by Daryl Ray on Feb 1, 2012 1:16 PM MST up reply actions  

scary isn’t it?

by 2NASHTY on Feb 1, 2012 1:30 PM MST up reply actions  

This is a switch

Usually it’s poor grammar that causes me not to know what the hell 2N is talking about.

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by East Bay Ray on Feb 1, 2012 1:17 PM MST up reply actions  

i would

be at peace with that, I hate the Lakers with a passion but it would be great for Nash personally and for his career. Getting all that Lakers fanboys on his side will help how many people will look back at Nash in 10 years or 20 years.
I would be happy for Steve and if we could get the Lakers pick and the Mavs pick out of it maybe..

by TruthTelling on Feb 1, 2012 1:52 PM MST up reply actions  

blue?

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by 7footer on Feb 1, 2012 1:14 PM MST up reply actions  

I have the best Nash trade idea ever

We trade him to ourselves. In exchange, we amnesty Childress and let Lopez walk as a FA. The salaries match!

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by East Bay Ray on Feb 1, 2012 1:19 PM MST reply actions   1 recs

nice!

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by Alex Laugan on Feb 1, 2012 5:21 PM MST up reply actions  

Best idear ever.

Just because Steve Nash has that "dirty hipster" look doesn't mean he's in need of a shower. Steve Nash bathes in the tears of his victims on a nightly basis.

Mark of a Beast, baby. Mark of a Beast.

by NashMV3 on Feb 1, 2012 5:54 PM MST up reply actions  

The only trade (rosterbation) that has made any sense

Is the trade Simmons came up with to send Nash to the Celtics.
Nash-Hill-Gortat to Boston
Rondo-O’Neal-Dooling to Phoenix
Boston has a good 8 man rotation to make one last title run: Nash-Allen-Pierce-Garnett-Gortat-Hill-Wilcox-Pietrus. They get an ungodly amount of cap space this summer, and could maybe keep a lot of these guys on homer contracts to keep momentum going.
Rondo is a player to build around. I have never heard any legit trade scenario where we get a player as good as Rondo back. Young, great contract, All-Star, champion, selling point to FAs

by UASun on Feb 1, 2012 2:20 PM MST reply actions   1 recs

Yeah but PHX fans will percieve it...

as being tilted towards Boston because we give up our three best players (2 future hall of famers and a borderline all-star center) for one very good player, a corpse, and a far-end bench guy.. I don’t think it’s horrible, but I am not sure the PHX front office could pull the trigger (courtesy of 7Footer…) on this deal.

Let's do this...!

by Daryl Ray on Feb 1, 2012 2:28 PM MST up reply actions  

IMO, I don't think Grant Hill is a future hall of famer

"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley

by Suns R Us on Feb 1, 2012 6:10 PM MST up reply actions  

I would NOT be for that deal

Screw building a team around Rondo. I would rather keep Gortat.

"If Gortat pulls off a real Dream Shake in-game this year I will shave my head.
Mark my words." Piotr Szczesniak 12/12/11 2:12 PM
Cardinals, Suns, D-backs for life!

by Airwave on Feb 1, 2012 2:57 PM MST up reply actions  

Gortat is overrated by us

He’s the 3rd best, maybe 4th on that Celtics team.

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by Suns R Us on Feb 1, 2012 6:11 PM MST up reply actions  

Not really

Rondo is not better than 3rd best on their team.

"If Gortat pulls off a real Dream Shake in-game this year I will shave my head.
Mark my words." Piotr Szczesniak 12/12/11 2:12 PM
Cardinals, Suns, D-backs for life!

by Airwave on Feb 1, 2012 8:43 PM MST up reply actions  

Give up Nash, Hill, and Gortat for Rondo? You are out of your mind.

by BringBackBarkley17 on Feb 1, 2012 2:57 PM MST up reply actions  

Without Gortat maybe, but I wouldnt trade Gortat for Rondo straight up. Then throwing Nash and Hill into the deal too? Um no, epic fail

by BringBackBarkley17 on Feb 1, 2012 2:58 PM MST up reply actions  

This

I would rather keep Gortat as a key piece than Rondo even though Rondo is younger. I would rather keep a good center than a PG who can’t shoot and needs good players around him.

"If Gortat pulls off a real Dream Shake in-game this year I will shave my head.
Mark my words." Piotr Szczesniak 12/12/11 2:12 PM
Cardinals, Suns, D-backs for life!

by Airwave on Feb 1, 2012 3:00 PM MST up reply actions  

+1000

Also, no Boston/LA/SA players on the suns please. Brown is enough already….

"The Knicks with the swiss cheese defense.
...Vince Carter likes cheese." -Walt Frazier

by ajcarleton on Feb 1, 2012 3:11 PM MST up reply actions  

Yeah,,,

I don’t like having a rival on the team.

"If Gortat pulls off a real Dream Shake in-game this year I will shave my head.
Mark my words." Piotr Szczesniak 12/12/11 2:12 PM
Cardinals, Suns, D-backs for life!

by Airwave on Feb 1, 2012 3:38 PM MST up reply actions  

Saay What?

Gortat is the definition of a player who need good players around him. He wouldn’t average 10 a game without Nash, and plays horrible help defense.
With the C’s best player out in 09, Rondo averaged a 17-9.8-9.8 in the playoffs. That practically a freaking triple double!
I like Gortat, I do. But Rondo is arguably the best defensive PG in the game, which means he’s defending a much more important position than Gortat. How many good centers are left? Rondo counters Paul, Westbrook, Rose, Williams, Ty Lawson, Darren Collinson, Brandon Jennings, and the dozens of other up and coming pgs.
Gortat is a good player. Rondo has a ring

by UASun on Feb 1, 2012 5:30 PM MST up reply actions  

17 and 10. facts. schmacts.

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by Alex Laugan on Feb 1, 2012 7:13 PM MST up reply actions  

I could say the exact same thing about Rondo

He can’t shoot a lick and needs 3 hall of famers to get his assists that high.

"If Gortat pulls off a real Dream Shake in-game this year I will shave my head.
Mark my words." Piotr Szczesniak 12/12/11 2:12 PM
Cardinals, Suns, D-backs for life!

by Airwave on Feb 1, 2012 8:45 PM MST up reply actions  

Nice idea. I was thinking about something similar earlier. I don’t think the Grizz would give up Mayo for Rolo, but I am all for it. Clips would need to give up more than just Mo-Will and Gomes for Nash. Eric Bledsoe would need to be there and maybe even a pick. Then I’d definitely consider it. Takes away some of our room next year though with Mo-Will’s contract, but as the free agents dwindle, that might be okay. We could still get one. He’d expire the next season and we’d have some money then too.

by BringBackBarkley17 on Feb 1, 2012 3:01 PM MST up reply actions  

I don't buy Hollinger's analysis with this trade...

Mo Williams doesn’t bring value like Nash does at the point guard so OJ Mayo by him elf is going to increase this teams performance by that many game..No way…

Let's do this...!

by Daryl Ray on Feb 1, 2012 3:02 PM MST up reply actions  

About what i’d expect from hollinger, or any of those other laker loving espn los angeles types. They’ve never once had anything positive to say about the suns, that’s why i’m not that surprised that they’d throw out such lop-sided garbage trade scenarios that would make our front office look all the more foolish(if that’s even possible to do!).

We should just wait for free agency and the draft and not cave in to any knee jerk trades offered us. This season has been really ugly and disappointing for the suns, but we can still have hope for a brighter tomarrow by trying our best to hit a homerun in the draft and free agency.

Basically, target gordon and batum(most likely the best talent still available to us in free agency at this point) then draft a lottery bigman (sullinger,perry jones,arnette moultrie or john henson)or small forward(Harrison barnes,kidd-gilchrest,terrence jones or andre roberson my darkhorse candidate) then pick up kendall marshall,myck kabongo or damian lillard in a draft day trade.

With this we have tremendous talent and potential at almost every position while getting much younger, all without having to accept a horribly lopsided trade that makes the other team better while leaving the suns with little or nothing.

The best part of this idea is nash and hill aren’t involved in any type of trade talk to make this happen, only lopez and maybe shannon brown potentially gets traded along with some cash incentives to get that extra mid to late first round pick.

Then we try and re-sign nash and hill at slightly lower amounts to make one more run .

The rookie or rookies get the added benefit of learning from nash and hill in their first season. Best case scenario- next season we could have a future starting starting five of kendall marshall(finally a pointguard that like nash makes everyone better offensively), eric gordon( our go to scorer on the wing),nic batum(will be great learning from hill), markieff morris(added muscle and improved post-game makes him a double-double machine) and marcin gortat(an all-star center for the suns).

This is of course all hypothetical, but still could realistically happen given our free agent money and potential draft position with a top five pick. If it did happen, i believe we’d be on part talent-wise with the thunder and clippers in a couple of seasons.

by jay humphries on Feb 1, 2012 5:10 PM MST reply actions  

Well... Hollinger sure can be entertaining when he wants to be.

Just because Steve Nash has that "dirty hipster" look doesn't mean he's in need of a shower. Steve Nash bathes in the tears of his victims on a nightly basis.

Mark of a Beast, baby. Mark of a Beast.

by NashMV3 on Feb 1, 2012 5:54 PM MST reply actions  

This is the best part....
Why didn’t Hollinger just write: "Trade one of my favorite NBA players (Steve Nash) to one of my two favorite NBA teams (Portland and Atlanta) for a player fans of my team all hate with a passion (Felton) and some ambiguous end-of-bench “youths” whose names we won’t remember in 24 hours."

Its so fucking true! The media and people like Hollinger use their power to try and make things happen in the real world. They make up shit like this in order to get fans talking in an attempt to make ownership do what he wants them to do.

Fucking moron. If I ever mean John Hollinger I will kick him in his throat. What a n00b.

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by N8lol on Feb 1, 2012 10:17 PM MST reply actions  

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