A Deeper Look At The Suns' Cap Situation
by BritishSun on Feb 10, 2012 3:17 PM MST
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PrintFor the 2012-13 season, the Suns will have 6 players under contract at a total of 30,712,000 which leaves $27,288,000 in cap space but that giant amount will not be the amount the Suns can spend.
The Suns are currently drafting at 11 in the draft and the salary for last year’s 11th pick was 1,772,100, a report a few days ago suggested the Suns would pay Steve Nash $8-10m this summer, so let’s say the Suns pay him $9m, the Suns’ cap space is already down to $16,515,900.
And then we have Aaron Brooks, when he returns from China next month, the only way he can sign for about 25 of the NBA teams is if the Suns renounce him. If he is going to leave the Suns, he will likely have to sit out the rest of the season when the Suns make him a new qualifying offer and teams will have more cap space, still I will be very surprised if Aaron Brooks is not a Sun, the Suns need a PG who can split minutes with Nash over the next 2 years and he should be that man. How much will he cost? That’s debateable, but around $5.75m a year will be likely be enough to secure him for 4 years, I will be very surprised if he signs for less than that.
At $5.75m for Brooks, the Suns cap space would be down to $10,765,900, that $27m cap room isn’t looking so great now is it. They will also have the MLE available if it is needed.
The Suns will have much less cap space in 2013 if they spend money now because they have no one coming off the salary til 2014 when Marcin Gortat and Hakim Warrick’s contracts worth a combined $12,687,200 in the final year end.
The Suns are currently committed to 4 guys through at least 2015 if Childress and Frye pick up their player options. Obviously the Suns still have the amnesty clause, my guess is that Hakim Warrick is the guy who it will be used on sometime in the next 2 years, he is the only guy who has no future with the team long term.
Obviously trades can happen between now and free agency that may alter the Suns’ cap situation but if the front office continue to do what they say they will; rebuild with Nash, stay competitive and be good enough when Nash retires to not lose a beat and continue to improve. $10m cap space seems a lot more realistic than $20-30m.
Who will the Suns pursue you may ask, well it depends on the draft. If the Suns draft Beal or Lamb they will probably pursue someone like Batum, Beasley or Landry. If they draft Thomas Robinson, Perry Jones or MKG then they will probably pursue someone like Nick Young, OJ Mayo or possibly Barbosa on a short term deal.
Just don’t expect the Suns to sign 2-3 RFA’s and spend a ridiculous amount of money because the FO will be wary of losing all future financial flexibility. Who do you want to sign in free agency? Let us know in the comments.
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Adding Eric Gordon would be a godsend
all this talk of him being injury-prone is odd. Having injuries and being injury-prone are two different things. Recall the first game of the season, he’s got the game-winner mentality.
SG: Gordon, Courtney Lee, Mayo, Brandon Rush
SF: Batum
PF/C: Jason Thompson, Lou
The pickup of Thompson would be amazing as well. He’s put up double-doubles with starter minutes over the last three years, but signing him shouldn’t break the bank.
I thought about adding Eric Gordon but I don’t think it is realistic, even if the Suns could afford him I don’t think he would come to Phoenix. If he does leave New Orleans, I think he will be playing for the Pacers.
As for Jason Thompson, you are right, he would be a great replacement for Lopez if he can be signed for less than $5m. The Kings are stacked in the front court so I can see them letting him leave.
If he does leave New Orleans, I think he will be playing for the Pacers.
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He is from Indina, he went to college there, they have cap room and have a good young team. I think it was Marc Spears of Yahoo who first reported they would pursue him in the summer. Nothing more than speculation at the moment though.
Where would be play for the Pacers?
He’s not playing the three with Danny Granger is signed through the 2013-2014 season. At the two the Pacers already have Paul George who is signed through 2014-2015 for peanuts and a complete stud. I mean, he seriously does everything great on both ends of the floor. George is also two years younger than Gordon and doesn’t feature such an extensive injury history.
Also, Roy Hibbert and George Hill are restricted free agents this off-season. Hill wont receive a huge contract but Hibbert is another story.
The only way the Pacers sign Gordon is if they trade Granger which isn’t happening.
It’s not like the Pacers need to sign another talented offensive player, either. With Granger, Hibbert, West, George, Collison, and Hansbrough. In fact, it’s actually messing up the team’s offensive identity and forces guys to force shots since their shot attempts from game to game are very limited because there is so many high-usage guys on the team.
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Yea I read that too. Part of the reason the Clippers did go thru with trading Gordon is because they thought there was a strong chance they would lose him to the Pacers
by Lebrontophx2010 on Feb 15, 2012 9:47 PM MST up reply actions
Eric Gordon
is not signing in Phoenix.
"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley
while your right this isnt certain
from a “NBA has to save face” look at it
They went into this CBA to stop superstars from leaving small markets from big ones.
As soon as the lockout ended, we see CP3 going to do that very thing.
NOLA makes trade to send another star to LA which would ensure Laker dominance for another 6-7 years.
he and the other owners quickly respond “basketball reasons” but the truth is they were just mad and it just so happened they owned the hornets so they stopped it.
then in order to make up for it he negotiates to get one star for another budding one by arm wrestling eric gordon into the LAC deal.
All is good.
exepct for Eric Gordon has decided that he wants a big payday or he’ll up in leave
Deja’ Vu?? Now The commish and put in a place where he will be forced into giving gordon a max or near max deal in order to keep the franchise attracie to a buyer and also not to look dumb for doing all of that for nothing.
I believe he will get gordon his money. but for some reason he doesnt we will have a shot. Eric gordon coming here isnt dependent on eric gordon liking PHX as much as it is whether stern will do what it takes to not look foolish
"Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose"
The NBA won't match a max contract
But yes I tend to agree.
However, “I doubt” works as well, and is less extreme than “is not signing in” which makes it seem like Gordon would choose not to – which a $15 mill offer would negate.
by MMotherwell on Feb 12, 2012 10:55 PM MST up reply actions
I mean I guess if we can get him i say go for it
if there was any team for him to be healthy it would be here, but its kinda a all or nothing type deal. signing him that contract means were resiging nash(which i like) and going all in on the next 2 years. championship or bust. this is what we should have done with amare. bad knees other not the 4 year window would have been filled with deep, deep playoff runs and i bet with the fall of LA and everyone else in the west we would have emerged right on time to get 1 or 2 rings.
so yea if we sign gordon it must be with the intent to go out and upgrade and retool our 3 and 4 and add quality depth including getting a good back up pg. no matter the cost. Lux tax including. get the ring with nash. everything else is irelavant
"Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose"
i think Mayo could do what gordon can do at a cheaper tag
Gordon injury history scares me the more i research him. mayo can score play D and would love to be the guy on a team that wants him there.
Mayo, plus batum/wallace makes us more athletic better defensively and better in scoring. and both of those guys wont require long term deals.
Wallace a 21mil 3 yr with a team option for a 4th.
mayo 4 yr 34 mil
that comes up to like 15 mil next year. depending on if they back or front load.
still room for dj aug or brooks or my favorite DRAGIC especially if we can amnesty someone
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I'm not a Mayo fan
He’s a backup and 4th option on his current team – and he is fourth after starting his career as option 1. Players that get pushed down the option list aren’t very good.
by MMotherwell on Feb 12, 2012 10:22 PM MST up reply actions
Agree 100%
We’d be better off using Dudley and ask him to bring his all around game than getting Mayo and praying he’d actually give an effort on the glass or in moving the ball efficiently in the offense.
by Fakers Stink on Feb 12, 2012 10:24 PM MST up reply actions
we need a SG
dudz is a sf with no handle or hops.
he doesnt move the ball at all.
he is NOT a guard
hes in the best shape of his life and grant hill is still a better athlete than him
he is NOT a guard
all of his offseason guard training with impact has shown little results if any
he is NOT a guard
as a SF i like duds but as our starting SG?
he is NOT a guard
OJ mayo is instantly the best offensive player on this team OVERALL we nest a fast guy who can put the ball on the ground and make it happen
that is not duds
he is NOT a guard
"Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose"
I don;t agree with any of that
And I start with the fact you think we need a SG who can handle. Why? When was the last time that was needed? If you said we need a backup 1/2, then I’d agree, but we don’t need a ball handling 2.
Secondly, Dudley is excellent. Everyone looks at his flaws and miss his strengths. He is the anti-Mayo in many ways – consistently strong effort, plays to his strengths, hustles.
Dudley is very, very good.
Mayo is just not very effective. He is scorer that isn’t very good. I;d rather get George Hill, who can back up both 1 and 2, than Mayo who simply can;t play PG in our system.
by MMotherwell on Feb 12, 2012 11:18 PM MST up reply actions
ball handling as in
able to dribble and slash and penetrate.
dont get me wrong dudz is and a quality forward and like you said he does allthe dirty work which is why hes so valuable especially at his contract. but we cant keep pretending hes something he isn’t(see above post)
In the end my previous post was just saying if i had to pick my starting 2 guard id want a pro typical 2G playing the spot. If i wanted a SF id take Dudz.
In a league where the SG position has all but died id take mayo and see if he can work on his game like Dudz has and become more effective like you said.
"Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose"
Then we disagree
If people think Mayo is an upgrade to Dudley, I’m at a loss. Where we NEED an upgrade is backup 1 and 2. A combo guard would be ideal. But Mayo?
(Mayo’s) a good ball handler but has trouble beating 2s off the dribble, let alone 1s, and he doesn’t have much in the way of court vision.
Mayo isn’t much of a dribble guy or slasher, and is worse than Dudley in every other phase of the game.
Our weakness is 100% our bench. Our starters are fine, it is the bench that sucks, and sucks BADLY.
George Hill
http://www.hoopsworld.com/2012-nba-free-agents
George Hill, Deron Williams, Chauncey Billups, Barbosa, Hinrich, and Delonte West could all play with Nash and be more than a 15 minute a game backup. Even Tracy McGrady would be a nice pickup (he played essentially backup PG in Detroit and, can you believe this, is only 32!) Some of them are even potentially quite cheap.
Draft has a few as well, but we need shoujd take long term potential next year for sure.
My view is that our biggest weakness is backup PG – bench in general but backup PG especially. If we can get a few good backups, we are a .550 team, we really are.
George Hill, Ryan Anderson and Gerald Wallace and our current starters + Kieff is a solid lineup.
i dont think Deron williams is going to back p anyone even if the minutes are split even
billups is done
mcgrady is a old 32, since he came out Highschool.
I mean all the other guys are ok but id probably rather draft a PnR guy and see how he does learning from nash. we keep getting guys who dont run PnR to back up nash expecting them to follow suit.
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aslo hes not on your list but maybe andre miller.
vet who can run PnR well. his numbers are decent in Denver this season avg like 11 and 6 in 29 min. playing 29 mins i assume hes getting time at the backup 2 as well seeing as he cant be getter more minute than lawson. son he can be a combo guard as well. just throwing him in there as well
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Miller good call
There are always options. Having capspace is golden,a nd even Barbosa – getting him back would be nice.
I miss Barbosa
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Mark my words." Piotr Szczesniak 12/12/11 2:12 PM
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Andre Miller is the shit
but there’s no way Denver won’t re-sign him. Karl loves him, and his presence on the team is what makes Ty Lawson not suck.
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The team needs a scorer
Not someone who brings the overall game, as you say. Warrick is currently our best scorer and we don’t play him because of how bad his defense is. OJ Mayo is not on that level of suck defensively and he can take someone off the dribble and get to the hoop.
I love what Dudley brings as much as anyone else but I know we need someone who can get their own shot at any point in the game. Dudley is just another player we have who needs screens and a pass to set up his game (unless he takes his 1 dribble past the jumping defender).
Also, George Hill is not as realistic an option for us to attain, which is why Mayo is being discussed.
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Mark my words." Piotr Szczesniak 12/12/11 2:12 PM
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Basically
I am just looking for someone who can put points on the board without needing someone to spoon feed him the ball when he is open. We do not need a guard who has to have the ball in their hands to be effective at all offensively. Just someone who can get fouled a few times and slash or take his man off the dribble. Again, Hak is our current best player in this regard (yikes).
"If Gortat pulls off a real Dream Shake in-game this year I will shave my head.
Mark my words." Piotr Szczesniak 12/12/11 2:12 PM
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We don't play that way
I agree it would be nice, but even when we have players like that, we don;t use them.
What we need is a backup PG who can run the PnR more than anything else, ideally one that can play with Nash so that they aren’t just a 15 minute a game guy.
so then draft a combo guard or pg who can run PnR
is there someone like that on the horizon? someone not overly touted but fits our system
"Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose"
him
http://www.draftexpress.com/article/NBA-Draft-Prospect-of-the-Week-Damian-Lillard-3832/
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or him
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Elijah-Johnson-5827/
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both are PnR guys
and are juniors so theyve developed nice fundamentals.
Lillard is projected to be a late 1st rounder so we’d have to trade buy another pick. and Johnson is a mid to early second round candidate who we should be able to snag
"Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose"
While I agree we don't play that way
To not have 1 guy on the team that can do that is really hurting us, IMO. If we are playing in a tight game down in the last few minutes of the game, I have seen our offense get shut down far too often. They double Steve to make him give up the ball and we end up getting terrible looks at the basket. We need some other form of offense outside of Steve Nash making the play.
It doesn’t have to be our go to move or anything but we need to be able to show the ability to create something out of nothing when our offense is out of rhythm.
The backup PG is a different matter all together (and I agree we need better backup PG play). I still see the glaring hole of no scorer on our team.
"If Gortat pulls off a real Dream Shake in-game this year I will shave my head.
Mark my words." Piotr Szczesniak 12/12/11 2:12 PM
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Well yes and no
If we had a backup PG, we’d be golden.
JChill is a good example of a guy that can get to the hole, but we don’t use that way, sadly, and that inability to use players in iso hurts us.
If we get a solid backup combo guard, who can play D, we’ll be in a great spot. We get leads all the time, we just lose them when Nash sits.
Oh I know we lose our leads when Nash sits
It is just unrealistic to think we are going to be ahead in every single game. It would help the leads or deficits swing more in our favor, but there are too many times where a game comes down to the final minutes. If we are competing for anything playoffs and above, I believe we need a scorer.
I just believe both roles are current problems for this team and are probably just as important as the other.
"If Gortat pulls off a real Dream Shake in-game this year I will shave my head.
Mark my words." Piotr Szczesniak 12/12/11 2:12 PM
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He is backing up Rudy Gay
That is not something to frown upon. He also is behind the list of Zbo Gasol and Gay… All 3 play at an all-star level.
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Mark my words." Piotr Szczesniak 12/12/11 2:12 PM
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He is behind Tony Allen andf Conley
Look, YMMV, but Mayo isn’t a very effective player. He’s at best a VERY poor man’s Harden. A much better choice would be George Hill – a guy who can rest Nash and play solid D.
Mayo is not an upgrade, and if he is, not a very good one.
I just don't see him as a PG hybrid
If that is what you are trying to make him on this roster. I would love me some George Hill though, even if he did play for SA. I think that would be great because I don’t think, in the end, that Brooks will be returning. I sure as hell know we need more from our backup point to give Steve some rest than we are currently getting.
"If Gortat pulls off a real Dream Shake in-game this year I will shave my head.
Mark my words." Piotr Szczesniak 12/12/11 2:12 PM
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Also
On Memphis I would play Tony Allen > Mayo simply because they have Zbo Gasol and Gay that can all score. Tony plays some very, very good defense.
"If Gortat pulls off a real Dream Shake in-game this year I will shave my head.
Mark my words." Piotr Szczesniak 12/12/11 2:12 PM
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Speaking of Harden
this is the guy I want in free agency… but we’ll have to wait another year for that.
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very nice recced
lot of people think weve got mad money to spend but after the draft nash and maybe brooks were not as good.
if i had to chose who to get id say that getting mayo and beasly may not be good especially if we draft someone. i dont want the new kid getting bad influences from those 2. there for i say only one bad rep person allowed.
Nash/brooks
Mayo/Dudz
Wallace/MKG/chilly
Beasely/morris
gortat frye
(frye and morris out on the floor together morris play the center spot)
amnesty hak
I also believe beas can play the 3 so if we wanna get another PF in FA or trade then thatll work.
"Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose"
I 100% agree about the bad influences, bringing in multiple trouble makers will hurt the young guys a lot. Thats one of the big positives of having Nash and Hill, if the Suns do sign a Beasley or a Mayo then having two of the best professionals in the games around would be great.
Personally, if the Suns do draft Beal or Lamb which seems likely I would love Beasley; he would be the go-to scorer the Suns need and playing with Nash would only improve his game. I would also trade Lopez for a late 1st rounder and take Damian Lillard or another PG to develop along side Nash and possibly Brooks.
That would leave the Suns with a roster like this, which I believe is the sort of thing the front office will be looking for:
Nash/Brooks/Lillard
Beal/Redd
Dudley/Childress/Hill
Beasley/Morris
Gortat/Frye/FA
I would love to see the Suns bring back Grant with a Player/Coach role on the vets min.
oh yea i forgot about red. id bring him back as well especially if we dont get a SF and dudz has to movve to the starting 3
and yea idk if hill will do it but his influence on this organization from a leadership standpoint would be incredible. maybe someday become our GM or something like that
"Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose"
I'd like to see us TRADE using a trade exception
rather than just signing a FA.
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me too but this is a FO that doesnt know how to make trades in our favor
"Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose"
how about
none of those guys who will end up as overpaid average starters?
Also Warrick comes off the books in 2013, he has a team option.
Also Gortat according to some sources has a player option in 2013 that he will definitely exercise and ask for something around 12M$ per.
According to HoopsHype which is where I go for salary details and many other sites, neither have options. But if that is not the case then fair enough. If Warrick does indeed have a team option or a deal similar to Vince Carter where the Suns can buy him out then that could mean the Suns may be willing to spend a few mor $M in free agency.
hoopshype is not the most reliable on salaries. try shamsports.com.
Warrick has an option, as mentioned above. I don’t know if Gortat does. I don’t think he does.
Also, don’t forget the amnesty clause. After this season, it’s worth using. That’s 7 mill a year on Childress.
And finally, I don’t see Brooks coming back. If the FO was happy with Telfair this year, they’ll be just fine with someone of that pay grade in the future too.
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I disagree about Brooks, Telfair and Price were both on one year deals because they knew Brooks would be coming back. Nash will be 39 next season, he can not split minutes with a guy like telfair if the Suns want to win. The FO traded for Brooks because he is a proven talent in the league as a starter, Telfair isn’t.
Brooks wasn’t very good in his time here and he wasn’t well liked….don’t expect him back
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by Seth Pollack on Feb 11, 2012 9:19 AM MST up reply actions
JRich wasn't very good initally. Brooks has the skills,
he came mid season and deserves more time
If they have no plans of brining him back, why have the Suns not renounced him him? That $5m cap hold on the books would have been useful for brining in another vet for this year. His numbers per minute were a lot better than Dragic, and with a full training cap he would be even better. I knew he wasn’t the most popular player while here with the guys, but I never thought it was so bad they wouldn’t bring him back.
We didn't have capspace anyway
Not how cap holds work.
by MMotherwell on Feb 12, 2012 10:23 PM MST up reply actions
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by Alex Laugan on Feb 11, 2012 12:12 PM MST up reply actions
Great post man
I would really love to see this team get OJ Mayo of all people (being that I think it is also realistic). I also am a Nicolas Batum fan so he would be another good addition but he will come with a pretty hefty price tag I believe. Beasley is kinda washy to me because he has been so weird in his career with his whole psyche.
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Mark my words." Piotr Szczesniak 12/12/11 2:12 PM
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Thanks for the feedback
I am also a big fan of Batum, he is great defensively, has great length and is great from three, but for the money it will cost to get him (probably $7-9m) he isn’t a go to scorer (career 9.5ppg). To me he seems like a big improvement over Dudley and Childress, a nice fit on the Suns but not the scorer the Suns need.
I agree with OJ Mayo being realistic, Griz has all their money going to 4 guys, I don’t think they will match anything above his qualifier which is around $7.2m
Batum
I agree completely I love what he does but I just see him demanding too much money for what he actually brings because he isn’t someone you can rely on to get points in tense moments of the game. He does it all but he is not a scorer and for that much money we need to bring in someone who can put the ball in the basket. Hopefully Mayo is an addition this summer.
"If Gortat pulls off a real Dream Shake in-game this year I will shave my head.
Mark my words." Piotr Szczesniak 12/12/11 2:12 PM
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Batum
I dont get the fascination with this kid. Every year it is the same and still he is just a role player.
He is barely worth the f ull MLE if you ask me.
He isn't more than a role player
But that doesn’t mean I am not a fan of his. If he wasn’t going to be getting a huge payday I would love to see the Suns grab him because he is like Dudley but better (IMO). Although Dudley is probably a better 3pt shooter. I don’t believe he will be worth what he ends up making in FA.
"If Gortat pulls off a real Dream Shake in-game this year I will shave my head.
Mark my words." Piotr Szczesniak 12/12/11 2:12 PM
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he would still be the best 3 on this team
the only thing we’d lose his hill’s D is he started for us today. hes plays like the 3 our system needs. hes more athletic than Dudz and still has potential. I think that portland offense is restricting him from being that 15ppg 6reb guy. giving the minutes and the right system he could develop nicely seeing that hes still young
"Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose"
You forget that the Suns will likely use their amnesty clause on Childress
Which would give the Suns $17,265,900 in cap space next season which could let us field an offer to Eric Gordon who clearly doesn’t want to stay in New Orleans.
Plus, I mean if there was ever a player out there which could benefit greatly from the Suns training staff it’s Eric Gordon. I know he is only 23 but after three injury-riddled seasons in a row Gordon has developed the label that no NBA player wants….He’s now known as an “injury-risk” which is a very, very tough label to disprove. Guys that are immature can always grow wise, guys that are raw can always develop, guys that can’t shoot can always develop a jump-shot but guys that are labeled injury-risks rarely turn that label around.
I’m not sure what the maximum contract we could sign Gordon too but I think it’s four or five years in length. If we could sign him to a contract like that then both parties would greatly benefit. The Suns get a guy with Superstar DNA to become the face of the franchise. Gordon gets to work with the best training-staff in the world and proves the NBA that he can stay healthy. He would be due for his next contract at 27 or 28. If he has a healthy, productive four or five seasons then that next contract is a max-level contract. If his next 4 to 5 seasons are injury riddled ones then he never gets a max-contract which will cause him to lose out on tens of millions of dollars.
Dear Bill,
Fuck You.
-Charles
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Also
I want to re-sign Brooks during the season if we can however if we can’t come to a deal and he leaves this off-season then we have to sign Ramon Sessions. The guy would be willing to sit for a year behind Nash I think with the promise of being the one who takes the reigns after Nash. The guy is a total stud and according to reports has been working hard on his jump-shot which is his biggest weakness.
Plus, it would just make sense. As far as I remember the Suns have never entered a season without a talented-to-great point guard since KJ who was followed by Kidd, then Marbury, and then Nash.
If Nash ends up somewhere else then my number one choice for our next point guard would be DJ Augustin. I absolutely love his game. Great outside shooter, knows how to get to the basket, and while not a strong defender he is very, very pesky. He has also improved his ball-distributor skills too and would greatly benefit from being the undisputed ball-handler here in Phoenix along with our open-system.
Dear Bill,
Fuck You.
-Charles
Letter that Charles Barkley sent to Bill Lambieer through a ballboy during the 89-90 season....Moments later, Barkley and Lambieer got into a fist fight.
Actually I didn’t forget the amnesty clause, but I said I thought it would be used on Warrick. Paul Coro has said many times the Suns will not use the amnesty on Childress, and do you really expect Sarver to pay someone $21m to not play for the Suns over the next 3 years.
I never said the Suns shouldn’t sign Gordon, I said it isn’t realistic. Many teams will offer him the max, and he isn’t signing for a team that won’t be in the playoffs for 3 years, even if that team has the best medical staff in the league. New Orleans would probably match any offer sheet anyway.
yea his agent knew that after all that trouble david stern went through to get him, he wasnt gonna let gordon walk like CP3
thats why im coming to realize that NOLA will do whatever it takes to keep him in order to keep the franchise afloat. there sucking this year so they get a nice pick in the draft then when they resign gordon theyll have a decent squad. Thats why im on the Mayo or draft a SG train
"Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose"
I'm on the Mayo train as well
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I'm probably alone on this one..
But I’d definitely be willing to take a gamble on Jeff Green. Plus I don’t see the Blazers parting with Batum.
well i mean the didnt extend batnum so idk whats the situation up there
but yea Jeff Green is interesting. If he comes back 100% speed wise and such he would be and upgrade at the wing. no character problems just the heart ailment which will make him a high risk candidate. Even more risky because unlike a bad ankle or bum knee with hill and Redd a bad heart can be mended by a world class training staff. its just there. I would only get him if we cant get wallace or batum or draft MGK OR Beal. strictly last resort but yea your not alone
"Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose"
The gamble with Jeff Green
is that he won’t just suddenly up and die on the court one day. Geez that would be awful.
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Mayo is weak
I’ll keep saying it until people realize he’s just wasting money for the Suns. Mayo is probably good for nothing more than being a scorer on a top team’s second unit. I know he’ll start and get paid a lot of money somewhere, but I’m just hoping its not in anywhere near Phoenix. I am absolutely certain there is a guy in next year’s draft 2nd round who can do just about the same as Mayo for a team lacking a SG like the Suns.
Amen!
Mayo is wack and a lottery bust. Memphis will let him walk for nothing in return. Why do people think he is good? USC? He’s a chucker, and not a very good one at that. The Suns could easily get a SG in the draft for 1/4 the price. Look at how far Marshon Brooks fell in last year’s draft.
by oLLiE Boombayay on Feb 22, 2012 12:52 PM MST up reply actions
We should get Eli Manning. Do you think he'll be available.
Barry Bonds is a bit old for my taste. But he’s a winner. He could be good as a locker room presence for the younger players. He might still have some clear and cream for Nash too.
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