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Jeremy Lin - what say does his record say about NBA Scouting/Front Office/Coaching Metrics?

What it says is the player evaluation and team building metrics in the NBA are worn out, predictable, conventional, monotonous and far too often they are executed by apparently dull witted executives and coaches stuck in a rut when evaluating players.

Kobe Bryant yesterday "“When a player is playing that well, he doesn’t come out of nowhere. It seems like he comes out of nowhere. Go back and take a look, and the skill level was probably there from the beginning; it’s just that we didn’t notice it.NYT

LA Times:Jeremy Lin was there for the taking ...Lakers discussed signing the guard when he was a free agent, before he was signed and released by Houston. Mike Brown didn't know anything about Lin, who scored 38 points Friday night.....

Lin was compared to Steve Nash by the ESPN commentators and others this week, including Bynum. Lin is about the size of Steve, shoots well like Nash, penetrates well, has what one ESPN commentator said was 'court vision' which allows him to avoid traps and find good passing opportunities. He clearly has basketball smarts and has the basics down.Yet, no, he doesn't do tomahawk dunks.

Lin is not super-physically gifted. He cannot fly through the air, or hang for jumpers like a Derrick Rose. And yet, he is the first player in the NBA in 30 years to score 28 points or more, and 8 assists in his first game as a starter, against the Utah Jazz last Saturday. Isiah Thomas performed a similar feat in his debue in October, 1981.

Of course, we don't know how long Lin will last, but the Knicks aren't going to let him go like the Rockets or the Kings. Magic Johnson said last night at half-time in the NY-LA game that Lin 'was for real'. Magic doesn't say that about every rookie. We also know guys who get compared to Steve Nash don't come along every year. What we do know, is that one heck of a promising point guard was passed up in the NBA draft, was dropped from at least two teams, and almost by luck was given a chance to shine with the NY Knicks. Why was he passed up so often? Just because he was from the Ivy League, which has not had a player drafted since 1995? Just because he was Asian-American, and there are none playing guard in the NBA?

Or is it just because guys who can't two hand dunk, guys who are not big or gifted physically, are glossed over, even for the point guard position in the NBA? The fact that a lot of NBA point guards, like the SUNS Telfair, Brown and Price fit the physical ability specs OK, yet (1) can't shoot well or reliably (2) don't have the court vision to avoid dribbling into traps or hopeless walls of bodies (3) cannot run offenses effectively....does not keep teams like the SUNS from signing them up and suffering the consequences.

Although there is almost certainly no one with the potential of Jeremy LIn out there on a BB court somewhere right now, his experiences would seem to be a wake up call that the metrics for recruiting point guards should expand to include players who make up in BB basics, shooting, passing, court vision and smarts what they may lack in the realm of outstanding physical equipment. Young players like that can make a very big difference for a team, although the chance that they would outscore Kobe in a shootout their first game against the Lakers is a pretty steep hill to climb.

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its a crapshoot

even the bulls GM said that jordan would never be more than a career backup role player guard

"Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose"

by phxpurple on Feb 11, 2012 5:28 PM MST reply actions  

is it?

“We wish Jordan were 7-feet, but he isn’t. There just wasn’t a center available. What can you do? Jordan isn’t going to turn this franchise around. I wouldn’t ask him to. He’s not an overpowering offensive player.”
— Rod Thorn, then Bulls general manager, after selecting Jordan in the 1984 NBA Draft (Chicago Tribune, June 20, 1984)

"Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose"

by phxpurple on Feb 11, 2012 5:46 PM MST up reply actions  

thats not the full rading but he does say role player

and the discrepancy between that statement above"wont turn this franchise around" and 6 world titles(8 if he hadnt went and played t ball)….i dont think thats exaggerating

"Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose"

by phxpurple on Feb 11, 2012 5:56 PM MST up reply actions  

very nice, phxpurple. Very nice.

Blogging Suns Basketball at Bright Side of the Sun

by Alex Laugan on Feb 11, 2012 10:42 PM MST up reply actions  

complement?

:D

"Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose"

by phxpurple on Feb 12, 2012 1:41 AM MST up reply actions  

From Bright Side's very own self-proclaimed devil's advocate?

Yes, I’d think so.

Just because Steve Nash has that "dirty hipster" look doesn't mean he's in need of a shower. Steve Nash bathes in the tears of his victims on a nightly basis.

Mark of a Beast, baby. Mark of a Beast.

by NashMV3 on Feb 12, 2012 1:46 AM MST up reply actions  

self esteem going up

"Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose"

by phxpurple on Feb 12, 2012 1:51 AM MST up reply actions  

Do you mean "compliment?"

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by Omaha Sun on Feb 12, 2012 7:33 PM MST up reply actions  

I believe Alex complements phxpurple quite nicely.

Just because Steve Nash has that "dirty hipster" look doesn't mean he's in need of a shower. Steve Nash bathes in the tears of his victims on a nightly basis.

Mark of a Beast, baby. Mark of a Beast.

by NashMV3 on Feb 12, 2012 8:04 PM MST up reply actions  

Yes.

Could that be because of the way Alex compliments him?

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by Omaha Sun on Feb 12, 2012 8:09 PM MST up reply actions  

One doesn't necessarily preclude the other.

But in this case, yes.

Just because Steve Nash has that "dirty hipster" look doesn't mean he's in need of a shower. Steve Nash bathes in the tears of his victims on a nightly basis.

Mark of a Beast, baby. Mark of a Beast.

by NashMV3 on Feb 12, 2012 8:44 PM MST up reply actions  

i see what ur tryna do

it wont work

"Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose"

by phxpurple on Feb 12, 2012 8:10 PM MST up reply actions  

What ever are you talking about?

Just because Steve Nash has that "dirty hipster" look doesn't mean he's in need of a shower. Steve Nash bathes in the tears of his victims on a nightly basis.

Mark of a Beast, baby. Mark of a Beast.

by NashMV3 on Feb 12, 2012 8:44 PM MST up reply actions  

lol would have been faster.

by BringBackBarkley17 on Feb 22, 2012 1:43 PM MST up reply actions  

also heres a retrospective from a young BAMF

“I was with the developmental team before the 1992 Olympics. The first day, I was matched up against Michael, and I was trying to deny him the ball. He said, ‘Look, man, this ain’t Duke. I can get the ball whenever I want, and I can do whatever I want with it.’ When I thought about it, I realized he was right.”
— Grant Hill (New York Times, Feb. 8, 1998)

"Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose"

by phxpurple on Feb 11, 2012 5:54 PM MST up reply actions  

Shows that these guys don't seem to know what they are doing, now and 20 years ago.

‘Jordan would not turn around the franchise’ Wow, I never heard that one.

SUNS a good example of managers with little BB smarts. With what have been called ‘the three stooges’ running the FO, Owner, Babby and Blanks. They are lawyer types and money guys first, second and third. The SUNS had better start looking for a point guard who can shoot, pass, and avoid dribbling into 3-man traps, out of bounds, or aimlessly around for 10-12 seconds, because Nash isn’t going to play forever, and the guys they have (Brown, Price, Telfair) are not going to do the job well, ever, what they got is what we have seen.

by Catamaran1 on Feb 11, 2012 6:07 PM MST up reply actions  

everyone makes mistakes.

if someone could do a better, they would have a job in some FO.

by forget on Feb 11, 2012 6:16 PM MST up reply actions  

yup

guards especially have a way of being unpredictable. you dont hear about to many PF and C’s coming out of nowhere. but guards are so volatile. feast or famine

"Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose"

by phxpurple on Feb 11, 2012 6:42 PM MST up reply actions  

Wow. Talk about egg on the face.

by BringBackBarkley17 on Feb 22, 2012 1:43 PM MST up reply actions  

Lin is just incredible with the pick and roll

15 pts, 4 asts, 2 stls at the half

Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."

by rsavaj on Feb 11, 2012 7:18 PM MST reply actions  

can he get the win though

NYK is obviously outmanned and could really use Amare but I wanna see how he plays from behind. clutch time

"Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose"

by phxpurple on Feb 11, 2012 7:39 PM MST up reply actions  

If he doesn't

It’s because of Love. Dude is a beast. He’s got 30 and 18 with 8 min to go still.

BAMF goes HAM.

by brian13 on Feb 11, 2012 7:58 PM MST up reply actions  

Lin leads them to their 5th straight win

He saved their season, and he saved Mike’s job

Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."

by rsavaj on Feb 11, 2012 8:27 PM MST up reply actions  

I'm glad. He's so much fun to watch.

Just wish the Suns had gotten him when he was cut by the Warriors/Rockets.

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Revenge is ice cream.

by HaikenEdge on Feb 11, 2012 8:35 PM MST up reply actions  

Nobody had any idea that he was like this

I honestly thought Zabian Dowdell had a better chance at sticking to a team than he did.

Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."

by rsavaj on Feb 11, 2012 9:06 PM MST up reply actions  

He's so much fun to watch.

He needs to grow his hair to Nashian lengths and he’ll be funner to watch

by smeagolheart on Feb 14, 2012 1:48 PM MST up reply actions  

he had a rough game though

he got bullied by the wolves. he never got discouraged though, so thats good.

we’ll have to see how he responds in his next game.

by forget on Feb 11, 2012 8:45 PM MST up reply actions  

MDA said after the game he was gassed

The load hes carrying has been unreal. Getting Amare back will be good for his energy. The moves this guys has in his arsenal are wicked amazing though. He went from crossing over like A.I. to contorting in mid air like D. Rose to Euro-stepping like Manu. Hes like Rogue from Xmen stealing ppls abilities. next thing hell be doing the sky hook and dunking from the free throw line.
the only thing that cant stop him are teams making more adjustments and double teaming hard…and Melo

"Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose"

by phxpurple on Feb 12, 2012 1:46 AM MST up reply actions  

Yeah, Melo will probably kill the team chemistry, will probably demand too many touches.

I’d say the Knicks should trade him, but I don’t think they’d be able to get equal value for him.

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Revenge is ice cream.

by HaikenEdge on Feb 12, 2012 9:55 AM MST up reply actions  

We really need a successor to Nash

Because this team is completely designed around a good PG. Getting Lin would be awesome, but there’s as much a chance we get him as there is of us getting Deron Williams.

Joe Saunders: "They Giants played a really good game, so hats off to us"

by Skii on Feb 11, 2012 11:04 PM MST reply actions  

He went to Harvard instead of another college because he wanted the chance to start for the team.

I think, given equal money, being able to start for a team will probably sway him to it.

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Revenge is ice cream.

by HaikenEdge on Feb 11, 2012 11:32 PM MST up reply actions  

That we do

It is scary to think about our future once Nash is gone from that position hahaha.

"If Gortat pulls off a real Dream Shake in-game this year I will shave my head.
Mark my words." Piotr Szczesniak 12/12/11 2:12 PM
Cardinals, Suns, D-backs for life!

by Airwave on Feb 12, 2012 3:46 PM MST up reply actions  

Gortat! Dudley! Frye! Markieff!

OH YEAH!!!

Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."

by rsavaj on Feb 12, 2012 3:47 PM MST up reply actions  

Random but i was on hoops hype twitter and some writers were saying Lin wouldn’t be getting the same attention if he was in a place like Milwaukee or another small market.

by REneeR on Feb 12, 2012 12:09 AM MST reply actions  

totally

john skelton outplayed Tim Tebow and led just as many 4th qtr come backs this past NFL season. I’m not a cards fan but i checked it out because Collin cowheard talks about it.
AZ cards will get nowhere near the attention of a Denver Broncos teams managed by Elway.
If J. Lin played in Milwaukee he’d be dubbed an instant fluke and the only thing that would change that would be leading the bucks to the ECFs or further.
media controls all

"Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose"

by phxpurple on Feb 12, 2012 1:50 AM MST up reply actions  

I could see this argument working with Lin in NY, but I’m not sure it works with Tebow in Denver.

BAMF goes HAM.

by brian13 on Feb 12, 2012 2:03 AM MST up reply actions  

Simple my friend

While tim tebow cam into the league with much hype which contributed to his mania, IT was the fact that he went to a franchise like denver that really got things going.
Even though in the NFL there arent really, really small markets because of the parity and structure of the league, there are till teams more popular(GB CHI NY TEAMS PATS etc) and there are lesser ones(SEA ARI JAX)
Denver is one of the most storied teams in the league and it just so happens to be ran by the man who who made it big. Tim Tebow being drafted to a team like this is outrageous being he is practically a fullback, and made his mania grow even faster with the team having such a huge and impactful fan base that pretty much got him the starting job with bill boards and radio complaints. If tim tebow gets drafted by seattle ppl dont give as much a care. hes just up there wasting away in th great northwest

"Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose"

by phxpurple on Feb 12, 2012 2:24 AM MST up reply actions  

Possibly

But if Tebow gets drafted by Jacksonville, and has the type of season he just had, he may have possibly become an even bigger celebrity, due to their proximity to the University of Florida

by wedge1039 on Feb 12, 2012 12:53 PM MST up reply actions  

I just think

Tebow was more popular coming into the NFL than Skelton was. I mean nobody outside of the Cardinals is really going to even know who he is yet Tebow has #1 jersey sales. I don’t think it had to do with him being in Denver in this circumstance because many people felt at the time and still do that Tebow is one of the best, if not the best, college QBs ever.

If John Skelton were in Denver he would not be getting the same attention as Tebow does, but he would be getting more than he does on the Cardinals.

"If Gortat pulls off a real Dream Shake in-game this year I will shave my head.
Mark my words." Piotr Szczesniak 12/12/11 2:12 PM
Cardinals, Suns, D-backs for life!

by Airwave on Feb 12, 2012 3:49 PM MST up reply actions  

Sign him to the scouting team

Joe Saunders: "They Giants played a really good game, so hats off to us"

by Skii on Feb 12, 2012 2:58 PM MST up reply actions  

Yeah, wow. Somebody needs to pay that guy.

by BringBackBarkley17 on Feb 22, 2012 1:48 PM MST up reply actions  

What does rsb40 mean?

"Nash is 25 and Hill is 27. It doesn't matter what it says in their birth certificates. Lies, all lies."-Scott Howard Cooper, NBA.com

by NASHTY777 on Feb 12, 2012 3:30 PM MST reply actions  

rebounds + steals + blocks per 40 min. So it’s basically a sum of measureable defensive stats.

by Lompe on Feb 13, 2012 4:19 AM MST up reply actions  

I am starting to buy into the hype

I still want to wait a little longer though til I am sold.

"If Gortat pulls off a real Dream Shake in-game this year I will shave my head.
Mark my words." Piotr Szczesniak 12/12/11 2:12 PM
Cardinals, Suns, D-backs for life!

by Airwave on Feb 12, 2012 3:50 PM MST reply actions  

I think the excitement is a little premature

Lin’s looking very good, but there are bad signs:

1. Lin doesn’t shoot well from distance

2. He doesn’t finish especially well at the rim – I think we’ll teams stop fouling him, and make him make th shot.

3. He turns the ball over like a madman (6 per 48).

4. He is more scorer than distributor, hardly what the Melo / A’mare Knicks need.

I think that teams will start going under his screens, and daring him to shoot, and they’ll stop fouling him so much at the rim. Combine that with Melo’s return, and we’lls ee if he still gets the ball as much. If he can adjust, he’s a keeper. If not, well, he’s not :)

by MMotherwell on Feb 12, 2012 8:45 PM MST reply actions  

id trade melo away

if melo returns and they start sucking that doesnt mean lin is bad. it means once again melo is cancer to a team. Lin may be able to score but dont underestimate his vison and passing. he scores because he has to. Just like nash could average25 ppg if hes wanted to but he shouldnt have to, Lin scores because they have no amare or melo right now. when amare gets back i expect his assist to go up but his points to be around 20 ppg. when melo gets back…hes screwed. hopefully MDA tells melo to sit the eff back and play team ball. MELO has been in the nba for 9 years now, and if he hasnt noticed that ISO crap hasnt gotten him nowhere. hed should have noticed when lebron went to Miami and became a better team player to get his ring

"Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose"

by phxpurple on Feb 12, 2012 8:55 PM MST up reply actions  

LeBron was a team player all along.

He just had no help and had to do everything in Cleveland.

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by Omaha Sun on Feb 12, 2012 10:02 PM MST up reply actions  

he didn't finish well at the rim last night

but every other game he’s been exceptional in the paint. check out his shooting per game
http://www.hoopdata.com/gamelog.aspx?player=Jeremy%20Lin (note his mid-range %)
if they go under screens on him, he’ll make them pay from mid-range.

he has a passer’s mentality, but he’s just taking what the defense is giving him at this point. He’s not just putting his head down and bullying his way to the hoop, he’s reading the defense and reacting off of that. They’re daring him to shoot or take it to the basket, and he’s coming through.

I really think melo wants to win, I bet he won’t mind Lin running the show. we’ll have to see though. he’s been watching this whole thing unfold, he knows how its working. this will be the defining moment for Melo. Is he as selfish as everyone seems to think he is? I look forward to watching how this whole thing will work out!

The TO’s are a concern. But at this point, all of the good he is doing far outweighs the bad. Also, Nash has averaged 5 TO per 48 min in his last 6 seasons. Lin is pretty much handling ball as much as Nash, and only averages 1 more TO/48 min. He has also only played major minutes in 5 games this season. It might take a while for him to get more comfortable with his teammates and cut down on the turnovers.

by forget on Feb 12, 2012 9:27 PM MST up reply actions  

I dunno if Melo really cares about winning as much as he cares about getting his numbers.

If he cared about winning, surely he’d pass the ball when he was triple teamed?

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by HaikenEdge on Feb 12, 2012 10:35 PM MST up reply actions  

How about Nene, Kenyon Martin, Chauncey Billups, J.R. Smith...?

I don’t think it started in NY.

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by Omaha Sun on Feb 12, 2012 11:30 PM MST up reply actions  

yea melo can play with anyone.

combine that with a poor defender and your toast

"Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose"

by phxpurple on Feb 12, 2012 11:32 PM MST up reply actions  

His ballhoggedness is overstated.(in Denver)

His Nugget team had one of the best offenses year in and year out. He has never been this bad with taking bad shots, and holding on to the ball forever.

by forget on Feb 12, 2012 11:33 PM MST up reply actions  

They scored a ton of points,

but I never liked watching them very much. They all played iso ball.

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by Omaha Sun on Feb 12, 2012 11:52 PM MST up reply actions  

Curiousity question:

Are you a fan of Melo?

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by HaikenEdge on Feb 13, 2012 7:24 AM MST up reply actions  

And they stayed good without Melo

His usage rate was actually lower in KYK last year than in Denver, despite his team mates being lesser quality.

by MMotherwell on Feb 13, 2012 2:18 PM MST up reply actions  

Gallinari, Chandler, and Felton

were added to their team. Thats why they kept it up! Haha they were the deepest team in the league at that point.

by forget on Feb 13, 2012 9:52 PM MST up reply actions  

idk some guys like being tripled teamed

i know my cousin does……but then again hes more of the…….boy George type

"Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose"

by phxpurple on Feb 12, 2012 11:31 PM MST up reply actions  

Lol

Women were the reason I became a monk - and, ah, the reason I switched back... -Morte, Planescape Torment

by Spit_Fire on Feb 13, 2012 1:22 AM MST up reply actions  

ahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

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by Airwave on Feb 13, 2012 1:33 AM MST up reply actions  

Like I said

If he can adjust, he’s for real. Wait until teams key in on him and go under screens. That will be the big test.

And when Melo comes back and Lin gets the ball late in the shotclock, we’ll see.

I’m hopeful – I was a fan pre-draft, but lets not go crazy!

by MMotherwell on Feb 12, 2012 11:23 PM MST up reply actions  

they've been doing it, and he's made them pay.

I obviously don’t think he can keep putting up these ridiculous numbers. Especially with Amare and Melo coming back. But I haven’t seen anything that would keep me from believing he can be a very good PG and average around 16-17 points and 8-9 assists per game.

by forget on Feb 12, 2012 11:35 PM MST up reply actions  

I'm not convinced

Time will prove it either way, but if I was NYK, I’d be super happy because it is very rare to find a player this way ever, so even if all Lin ends up is as a backup, that is pennies for pounds.

by MMotherwell on Feb 12, 2012 11:39 PM MST up reply actions  

I've seen a few

He looked ok – but the proof is in the pudding once he has been on the first page of scouting reports for a few weeks.

by MMotherwell on Feb 13, 2012 2:41 AM MST up reply actions  

You do realize Lin is playing almost 40 minutes a game, has 30% usage, is the sole ball-handler for the Knicks ATM and he's doing all that right after not playing more than 5 mintues a game all year long?

Of course he’ll have 4+ turnovers a game, fatigue and the fact that the Knicks play pretty much exclusively through him do play a major role in that.

And how the hell does he NOT finish well at the rim? Have you seen him play?

Also he is more of a scorer because, well, who the hell is gonna score 20+ on the team he has without Melo and Amar’e? Billy Walker? Steve Novak?

by rzyn on Feb 13, 2012 11:32 AM MST up reply actions  

Yes I have, have you?

I’m going to bet you’ve seen the highlights, and not one game. I watched most of the Washington game.

http://on.nba.com/zitcPA is Lin’s shot analysis – under 50% in the paint and 58% at the rim. Last year, it was 49% at the rim, so question is which one is the real Lin?

Lin hasn’t finish well at the rim, in teh D LEague or NBA, but he has been getting fouled a LOT. That ratio will go down, as teams start to make him prove he can finish well at the rim, and then we’ll see if he has truly improved, or just had a hot streak.

Seriously, the rage is awesome, I love it, but the point of analysis is to find the truth, not to promote what one hopes for. Your analysis amounts to rage that anyone dare have a criticism of Lin, and that sort of blindness based, at least in part I am sure, on race is part of the reason Lin was passed on in the first place. Just ask every white running back and cornerback in the last 20 years what that feels like.

by MMotherwell on Feb 13, 2012 2:29 PM MST up reply actions  

Here are his 5 games in which he has gotten major minutes this season

http://www.hoopdata.com/gamelog.aspx?player=Jeremy%20Lin

so you are giving him crap for only seeing highlights, but then admit that you only watched part of one game? pshhhh

by forget on Feb 13, 2012 9:56 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Last year he also averaged ~4 minutes a game.

And 10 of those misses at the rim came from his last game vs the Wolves. You would know, right, because you watch him play obviously.

Fun fact, Chris Paul shot 54% at the rim last year. Guess he sucks too… Thanks you Stat Based God.

by rzyn on Feb 13, 2012 11:32 PM MST up reply actions   2 recs

btw

I think i said the knicks will be 37-29, and they would thrive once they found a PG….sounds like everything is on track! haha

by forget on Feb 12, 2012 9:29 PM MST reply actions  

Lin is Legit. He’s winning without Amare and without Melo. And he beat the Lakers. Fully confident. If I was NY I would trade away Melo. Amare knows how to play in this system with a good passing guard. Melo has to have the ball in order to be productive. And Dantoni’s system revolves around the PG handling “EVERYTHING.”

Trade Melo get some of your picks back and some of your wasted $$$ too.

Funny thing is, if Lin was a Sun I dont think we would be critiquing him as much. We would be excited b/c we found a succesor to Nash.
The only real question about Lins game is, how long can he play at this high of a level consistantly. Time will tell, and I would definately put my money on him.

by FourHorseman on Feb 13, 2012 11:03 AM MST reply actions  

Agreed. They would be a better team if they had kept Gallo and Chandler. Stupid trade looking back, especially now.

by BringBackBarkley17 on Feb 22, 2012 1:52 PM MST up reply actions  

Indeed

He looks excellent, but lets not put the weight of expectation of a third of the planet’s population on his shoulders!

by MMotherwell on Feb 13, 2012 2:31 PM MST up reply actions  

Freaking excellent history lesson =D

deserves some more recs I think.

Negele’s best move was to slide out of the way of the guy driving to the basket, then step further out to receive the inbounds pass after the score. =P

Following the drama from down unda...

by ZonaFlash on Feb 13, 2012 11:50 PM MST up reply actions  

KJ came back?

KJ came back and Knight went back to the bench. You have to understand it’s hard to produce when you get an All-Star’s leavings for minutes. No, I’m not saying Knight was a robbed hall of famer or anything but I don’t know of any backup point guards that have made the all-star game.

His situation was just like when Nash was backing up KJ and Kidd. Yeah that could have been the end of his career and he could have never got a chance. 10 minutes per game and 3 point per game isn’t enough for people to give a darn about your game and so Nash was traded away from the Suns for Bubba Wells….

by smeagolheart on Feb 14, 2012 2:14 PM MST up reply actions  

I understand what you are saying, but despite KJ coming back,

Negele had every opportunity to make his way in the league after, including being traded to San Antonio, then signing with Portland, Detroit, Charlotte and finally Toronto before being out of the league in 4 years.

Nash was traded and turned it into a starting gig, continuing his development into what he truly was. Knight had a streak of incredible play that turned out to be his only redeeming play during his career. Knight was given plenty of chances, as well as plenty of guaranteed money. He made over $2.5 million in his career, which in the early 90’s was a lot.

by hubertdavisfor3 on Feb 15, 2012 7:29 AM MST up reply actions  

If you look at the company Lin is in

It suggests that he is not a fluke:

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/02/11/jeremy-lin-is-no-fluke/

Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."

by rsavaj on Feb 15, 2012 11:29 AM MST up reply actions  

All of that is completely irrelevant

see NEGELE KNIGHT above

Knight’s 5 game streak was as impressive as Lin’s, just that he had one game of 17, not 20+ [his 5th game was a 27 pt, 6 asst performance].

Lists are great, but do not make a career. Lin will either continue to put together impressive performances and sustain it, or he will not, no matter what any list his name is on.

by hubertdavisfor3 on Feb 15, 2012 5:52 PM MST up reply actions  

how is that relevant to what i am saying

I am not saying Lin is this or that, i am commenting on the craziness of people’s overreaction. Lin is a great story and hopefully he continues to play at this level and proves himself. But let’s not anoint him all-star, hall of famer or call him Nash.

by hubertdavisfor3 on Feb 16, 2012 4:40 PM MST up reply actions  

unless you've seen both of them play.

how can you compare them? Nothing about Jeremy Lin’s game would lead you to think he is a fluke. He can get to the basket and pass, those aren’t things you just stop being able to do.

I did not see Negele Knight play. But I have watched every Jeremy Lin game. He is a good player. No one is calling him a hall of famer, but he is the savior of the new york knicks this season.

by forget on Feb 16, 2012 9:46 PM MST up reply actions  

i have seen both play

and again, i am not commenting on Lin

by hubertdavisfor3 on Feb 20, 2012 8:56 AM MST up reply actions  

Totally disagree. I ain’t saying he’s Magic, but he certainly isn’t Negele Knight. Haters gonna hate. You’ll see.

by BringBackBarkley17 on Feb 22, 2012 1:53 PM MST up reply actions  

Zabian Dowdell

discuss

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by jc79 on Feb 14, 2012 4:41 PM MST reply actions  

If hes healthy

I say bring him back and give him a shot. I think we still have 2 roster spots and it would be a minimum cheap deal. He knows our system and can prove something. im pretty sure the only reason telfair beat him was his knee soreness in camp

"Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose"

by phxpurple on Feb 15, 2012 4:33 AM MST via Android app up reply actions  

Update

Jist read a report he signed with a turkish team but it was voided due to not passing his physical. Maybe his knee is still in bad shape

"Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose"

by phxpurple on Feb 15, 2012 4:36 AM MST via Android app up reply actions  

I bring up Zabian because he's somewhat similar

He can’t really shoot, and his athleticism isn’t up to par, but he makes smart passes and defends

Voted most likely to say "I told you so"

by jc79 on Feb 15, 2012 11:35 AM MST up reply actions  

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