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It's been hard to put a finger on it, and these past two losses definitely don't prove anything good, but it is becoming more and more apparent that they are starting to find a grove. Now if you asked the team they would say the opposite, a loss against the Warriors where we lead most of the game, and a loss to a short handed Denver team might indicate a lack of talent in our team. However I think over the past 9 games or so we have recovered a few pieces we were missing at the beginning. Channing Frye has found his shot and gotten a bit better on defense, Michael Redd is starting to find his legs and his shot is falling, Grant Hill has found his consistency which is invaluable to our team and Steve Nash has decided that he is a veteran in a rookies body. So, why then have the wins not begun to flow?

Star-divide

First off lets talk about Michael Redd, the man has been producing off the bench consistently and over the past 7 games has averaged almost 13 points a game. There is something to say about his starts though, in the 2 games he has started he puts up numbers, registering 17 and 20 points respectively. Given that this is being done in less than 25 minutes a game we should be overwhelmingly happy that he is rounding out to old form.

Thank you Aaron Nelson...keep giving him whatever magic juice you got!

Channing Frye has been one of the more infuriating players on our team to watch. He started off the season like he had never held a basketball, let alone seen a basketball court, but luckily like he always does, he found his stroke and now it looks prettier then ever. The past 6 games have shown an improved, even from last year, Channing Frye. Putting up 5 straight games of double figures, and in the 6th game he only didn't get there cause he shot 4 shots total sinking 3 of them. We all know that Channing Frye playing well means the Suns play well.

I don't think we have to delve into Steve Nash or Grant Hill because, lets be honest...we all knew they would play this well. Okay, I do have one thing to say about Steve Nash, people need to stop saying he isn't the best point guard in the league...his numbers prove it so give him another damn MVP. Really he is the only reason this team scores any points.

Okay lets get down to the problem...why do we keep losing games we can win? I hate to keep hammering this home, but the Suns have stopped playing the excellent defense they started early in the season. Now we don't have to be the defense only team like Miami or Chicago to win, but with this talent level we have to be able to keep a team to 90 points. Our defense has once again fallen down to 21st in the league when our offense is only 19th in the league. You just can't win that way. So either the Suns have to become an offensive powerhouse overnight or the team has to get more offensive boards, blocks, steals, and basic stops. With the talent that we currently have on this team I think the only real option is to play defense, we have the size, we have good rebounders, and we have long armed quick footed players like Grant Hill, Jared Dudley, and Josh Childress to clog lanes and get back out to shooters.

The one thing I think we can do offensively to take the load off of players like Chilly and Dudley to score would be to finally buy into Michael Redd, giving him the ball to lead the offense. So far when Gentry has done this we have seen his ability to score almost at will and when he gets double teamed that leaves another person wide open for a three or a big to drop it down to for an easy dunk. This is why the Lakers have Kobe, why the Celtics have Pierce, why the bulls have Rose, why the Spurs have Ginobli. Talented teams almost always have a go to scorer and Micheal Redd is starting to show, and I say only starting to cause he has more to prove, that he can be just that a clutch go to scorer and he will only get better as time goes on.

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why do we keep losing games we can win?

how do you figure that we can win those games?

We are simply not a good team, our record reflects the lack of talent on this team.

by TruthTelling on Feb 15, 2012 2:02 PM MST reply actions  

I agree

But teams like the Suns who have been losing more than winning need a spark to come from somewhere to remind them that they can get back to winning ways. We need to find more then just one leader in Steve Nash, we need Michael Redd to carry us, we need Marcin to become not only as talented as he has shown he can be but as good a leader.

Then maybe we can supplement talent with heart and at least not be terrible.

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by Keith Owen Martin on Feb 15, 2012 2:06 PM MST up reply actions  

Good for you, for having the guts to say this.

I hope you don’t get flamed for it.
The truth is, basketball is a team sport, and the games we’ve won, we’ve gotten contributions from just about everybody. When we’ve not played together, or when there are only 2 or 3 guys contributing, and the other ones are screwing up, we’ve lost.
The tank first/trade everybody coalition around here has forgotten that talent doesn’t make a winning team – you only have to look at the Heat last year, or the Knicks this year to see that. It takes something extra, and it always has. We have talented players, but they are being asked to do too much because we aren’t a balanced team across the board. We have guys like Brown, who just wants a big contract next year, Lopez, who doesn’t seem to be able to stay out of the doghouse, Warrick and Chilly who have some mad skills as well as big deficiencies, and Price and Telfair, who together don’t equal a point guard. What little success we’ve had has come from chemistry, and playing off of each other’s strengths.
Defense is a team enterprise – NBA teams are designed to exploit the weakness on the floor. You can have one weak player (Nash has proven that), you can even have two, but you really can’t have three bad defensive players on the floor at once. And I think that’s why it’s dangerous to start Redd. On the other hand, the first quarter is very seldom about defense, so maybe we could get away with it. It would sure be great to see Dudley back on the second team – I think it would help them. But until we solve the backup PG situation, we aren’t going to be very good, I’m afraid.

"The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty."
"In the long run the pessimist may be proved right, but the optimist has a better time on the trip."

by haremoor on Feb 15, 2012 3:53 PM MST reply actions   1 recs

Just a question?

I agree with pretty much everything your saying I am just wondering what the 3rd bad defender would be on the floor with this lineup

Steve Nash
Michael Redd
Grant Hill
Channing Frye
Marcin Gortat

I think Redd is a decent defensive player, but he is weaker then he could be with his speed down after some of his injuries. I do think Channing is finally playing some good D, with a little tendency of getting the easily avoidable fouls by not having his arms vertical. We all know Marcin is great defensively and Grant is phenomenal, so I only really see two with some areas of liability.

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by Keith Owen Martin on Feb 15, 2012 8:09 PM MST up reply actions  

none

of those are really great defenders..

Redd at best is average, Hill is over the hill, Nash at best is average, Frye is average and Gortat is only good man-to-man and at best average help defender.

Nobody on that team can anchor the defense inside really, none of our guys is a “shot-changer or shot-blocker” that makes guards think twice about attacking the rim. If you do not have that it is hard to be particularly good defensively in the NBA even if you have the greatest perimeter defense.

All of the Suns big guys are rather bad help defenders.

by TruthTelling on Feb 16, 2012 1:25 AM MST up reply actions  

Never call Grant Hill over the hill

If you are speaking of defense. If he is playing, he is shutting down his opponent or at least slowing them down greatly.

"If Gortat pulls off a real Dream Shake in-game this year I will shave my head.
Mark my words." Piotr Szczesniak 12/12/11 2:12 PM
Cardinals, Suns, D-backs for life!

by Airwave on Feb 16, 2012 1:33 AM MST up reply actions  

wrong

Suns this season have simply been playing better without Hill. He is done.

by TruthTelling on Feb 16, 2012 3:47 AM MST up reply actions  

So right...

a great example of that is the game where he didn’t play against Denver…oh wait, we lost that game.

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by Keith Owen Martin on Feb 16, 2012 10:46 AM MST up reply actions  

BAMF.

Go Suns, Packers, Jays, and Huskers!

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by Omaha Sun on Feb 16, 2012 12:26 PM MST up reply actions  

Telfair is worst in both PER comparison and +/-

That’s kind of impressive!

Voted most likely to say "I told you so"

by jc79 on Feb 16, 2012 12:26 PM MST up reply actions  

If you can't watch Grant defend someone

And think he is one of the best in the league then I don’t know what else to say, really. Again, you can question his offensive game but defensively he very good still.

"If Gortat pulls off a real Dream Shake in-game this year I will shave my head.
Mark my words." Piotr Szczesniak 12/12/11 2:12 PM
Cardinals, Suns, D-backs for life!

by Airwave on Feb 16, 2012 2:45 PM MST up reply actions  

And he's been uber efficient offensively to boot.

Go Suns, Packers, Jays, and Huskers!

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by Omaha Sun on Feb 16, 2012 5:03 PM MST up reply actions  

When he is healthy

He still gets the job done. He looked sluggish with those knee injuries, but he is looking much better.

"If Gortat pulls off a real Dream Shake in-game this year I will shave my head.
Mark my words." Piotr Szczesniak 12/12/11 2:12 PM
Cardinals, Suns, D-backs for life!

by Airwave on Feb 16, 2012 5:47 PM MST up reply actions  

Yep.

I was really worried early on, but he just needed time to get healthy and get in shape. Same ol’ BAMF.

Go Suns, Packers, Jays, and Huskers!

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by Omaha Sun on Feb 17, 2012 11:12 AM MST up reply actions  

Seriously...?

I don’t know what games you are watching, but Grant Hill is easily deserving of an all defensive 1st team. There have been plenty of articles detailing his defensive accomplishments and he has shown plenty of times that he can flat out lock down the best offensive player on the court whether it be a point guard, shooting guard, small forward, or power forward.

Why don’t you ask Joe Johnson and Monta Ellis is he can play defense.

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by Keith Owen Martin on Feb 16, 2012 10:43 AM MST up reply actions  

Best part

Is how versatile he can be (guarding everything but a center).

"If Gortat pulls off a real Dream Shake in-game this year I will shave my head.
Mark my words." Piotr Szczesniak 12/12/11 2:12 PM
Cardinals, Suns, D-backs for life!

by Airwave on Feb 16, 2012 2:45 PM MST up reply actions  

BEST TRADE PLAN EVER

this will make us improve ALOT
1. Trade the whole bench away (besides Redd and Morris) to the knicks for Lin and a alot of money.
2. Hire scientists to make us a bunch of “reverse the clock” pills.
3. Give Nash, Hill, Redd, and Frye the “reverse the clock” pills.
4. Voila, Nash is breaking ankles, Hill is averaging a near triple double, Redd is scoring 27 a game, and Frye is shooting like there is no tomorrow
5. We win a championship.
The End

"Nash is 25 and Hill is 27. It doesn't matter what it says in their birth certificates. Lies, all lies."-Scott Howard Cooper, NBA.com

by NASHTY777 on Feb 15, 2012 4:14 PM MST reply actions   2 recs

I like it...

Although, the Knicks probably wouldn’t be willing to part with Lin right now, and we wouldn’t even really need him with those other guys “reversing the clock”, so I would adjust #1 to trading the whole bench minus Redd and Morris for just the money.

by wedge1039 on Feb 15, 2012 5:17 PM MST up reply actions  

The one thing I think we can do offensively to take the load off of players like Chilly and Dudley to score would be to finally buy into Michael Redd and giving him the ball to lead the offense.

Agreed.

Don't trade Dudley!

by Beavis 25 on Feb 15, 2012 6:31 PM MST reply actions  

were improved

but unfortunatly thats still totally dependent on nash being awesome every night. when he doesnt play were hopeless

by suns13 on Feb 15, 2012 8:29 PM MST reply actions  

NOPE

"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley

by Suns R Us on Feb 15, 2012 10:05 PM MST reply actions  

One thing we can do

Resign Brooks and trade.
If we don’t resign brooks I recommend: PHX gets: Diaw and Augustin (and possible second rounder) CHA gets: Brown, Froyo, and Telly
Why we would do it: We need a backup point guard, and Augustin is great. Diaw would be a nice pickup because he is a big body that can shoot, Frye can shoot but he doesn’t have a big body. Also Diaw has more weapons on the offensive end and would dominate with Gortat on the floor.

Why CHA would do it: they need a scorer in brown, a good centeresque center like Froyo instead of Diaw who is more like a sf in a center’s body.

If are going to resign brooks: Froyo for Green straight up.
The Hawks want to contend this year, so they NEED a backup center for ZAZA besides Damp. Froyo can provide that. We need a great scoring 2 guard. Green can provide that.

"Nash is 25 and Hill is 27. It doesn't matter what it says in their birth certificates. Lies, all lies."-Scott Howard Cooper, NBA.com

by NASHTY777 on Feb 16, 2012 4:10 PM MST reply actions  

The players we are getting in those deals are much better than waht we are giving up.

Not even close to even trades.

Go Suns, Packers, Jays, and Huskers!

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by Omaha Sun on Feb 16, 2012 5:05 PM MST up reply actions  

CHA hates Diaw bc he's lazy and unathletic, they need a scorer in brown and a center in froyo

ATL needs a backup center to contend this year and go deep in the playoffs, they are desperate and are gonna pull of something or they are stuck with Damp

"Nash is 25 and Hill is 27. It doesn't matter what it says in their birth certificates. Lies, all lies."-Scott Howard Cooper, NBA.com

by NASHTY777 on Feb 16, 2012 7:03 PM MST up reply actions  

And we need a lazy, unathletic player why?

"The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty."
"In the long run the pessimist may be proved right, but the optimist has a better time on the trip."
Don't trade Beavis

by haremoor on Feb 16, 2012 7:53 PM MST up reply actions  

Because he's a big man, we don't need his laziness, but his size would be useful.

He can shoot, and he can post pretty well. The Bobcats don’t like him bc he doesn’t try enough, but I think he will try with the Suns as he was very good in the past with us

"Nash is 25 and Hill is 27. It doesn't matter what it says in their birth certificates. Lies, all lies."-Scott Howard Cooper, NBA.com

by NASHTY777 on Feb 16, 2012 8:41 PM MST up reply actions  

I stuck up for Diaw for years. I loved Diaw. But when he went, I was relieved.

Until the NBA lets us put a croissant behind the backboard, Boris needs to not be a Sun.
Our system depends on having 5 players on the floor at any given time doing their job. All the time. That ain’t Boris.

"The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty."
"In the long run the pessimist may be proved right, but the optimist has a better time on the trip."
Don't trade Beavis

by haremoor on Feb 17, 2012 6:40 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

We have a system?

Nahh

"Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose"

by phxpurple on Feb 18, 2012 1:00 AM MST via Android app up reply actions  

Yeah.......

Pass on Boris round 2…… Big pass

"If Gortat pulls off a real Dream Shake in-game this year I will shave my head.
Mark my words." Piotr Szczesniak 12/12/11 2:12 PM
Cardinals, Suns, D-backs for life!

by Airwave on Feb 18, 2012 2:13 AM MST up reply actions  

Keith is working for the houston rockets

Double nut spy

"Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose"

by phxpurple on Feb 18, 2012 1:38 AM MST via Android app reply actions  

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