Nash and Gortat Stay. Make This an Elite Team Once Again.
The FO heads into a 5-6 month stretch of extraordinarily important decision-making. Trade deadline. Draft. Free agency. The drafting of Morris was more than a bright spot, however, it was validation for the coaches and the FO. Gentry said Morris could contribute "right away," and many of us laughed. PFs need time to adjust to the NBA game. Well Morris was a great pick-up, he can look like a polished vet from time to time. So amid all the "what of Nash?" talk, the request for patience is earned. The Gortat trade was so lopsided, too, granted we bandaged over a self-inflicted wound. This FO has made some excellent moves recently.
The heated Nash discussions throughout these posts should make us proud, but now seems a fine time to step back before the trade deadline whirlwind really hits. For those of us insisting the team would not return to elite status with Nash remaining a Sun (my own present sympathies), let's just consider the other possibility. Nash and Gortat stay. How do we return to elite status so soon?
Trade Deadline
Minus Nash and Gortat, the talent cupboard is so bare you almost want to write off the trade deadline. Hill, Dudley and Morris have solid trade value. I'd love to see the team copy a page from the Jazz handbook last year and make this move before anyone expected it, if not in March then before the draft.
PHX: Dudley, Morris + 2012 1st rd pick for Serge Ibaka + Nick Collison
Nash-Ibaka-Gortat would be a joy to watch. Offensive rebounding, you were missed.
OKC: Serge Ibaka + Nick Collison for Derrick Williams
They have so much promise, but now the payday problems loom. Harden and Ibaka are both up for fat contracts: one gets to stay, the other gets traded. Jeff Green knows all about this. But this is a pick-your-poison dilemma because Harden and Ibaka are linchpins on offense and defense, respectively. That wasn't the case with Green. So if defense wins championships, and the team looks so close to a championship, why trade Ibaka? Derrick Williams is not a bad answer. Most importantly stagger the paydays out, and ask him to grow into the PF role alongside Perkins.
MIN: Derrick Williams for Dudley, Morris + 2012 1st rd pick
This move would open up Kahn to so much renewed criticism. "Derrick Williams could have brought you Pau in return" and all that. But Minnesota needs dependable role players. We know who can hit the last shot. Give Love and Rubio some help. Derrick Williams should not be staying now that Love is secured for the foreseeable future. So why this trade? Dudley's all energy and would relish the chance to play alongside Rubio. Throw in a very promising PF backup and mid-lottery pick and this gets interesting. Rubio and Love are at least two years away from making playoff noise. Build for that day and resist the urge to go after an older talent like Pau.
Draft
Pass, see above. It's a stocked draft but Nash is 38 and the standards are set. Short timetable. "Elite" status. We wouldn't have time to develop young talent.
Free Agency
How do you drum up interest in a "setting" franchise? Show FAs you'll make an Ibaka trade splash and then sick Nash on them. Tell them the money stash will find the right hands, we're not Detroit-ing free agency. Talk about the 2012-13 roster:
Nash/? - Dragic, DJ Augustin
?/Redd - Gordon/Mayo/Courtney Lee/Marco Bellinelli
Hill/Childress? - Batum
Ibaka/Frye
Gortat/? - Jason Thompson/Lou
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so you talk about what a great pick morris was
then propose getting rid of him?
Thank God
you are not running this team…
Trade Dudley and our high lottery pick for Ibaka? Seriously?
And you think that roster you posted is elite? That roster is a fringe playoff team at best lead by 39 year old Nash.
go from your own view to what the FO has actually said
and then consider POVs you do not share. I’m leaning toward trading Nash if the right deal came along. Think of this as a devil’s advocate post. Assume Nash and Gortat stay, though you may want to trade them for the next young superstar. Who could the Suns add alongside Nash-Gortat to become “elite”? If that’s the standard, the 2012 pick and Morris are expendable if the return is Ibaka. He had a blocked shot triple-double tonight against Denver!
by ninecharacters on Feb 19, 2012 11:54 PM MST up reply actions
But without a great PG he is just a very athletic guy with mad hops and great defense
but no offensive game.
Feed the cutter!!!
by Piotr Szczesniak on Feb 20, 2012 8:32 AM MST up reply actions
We dont give gortat rnough credit
Yea he scores of nash alot but thats not a bad thing. He just needs to be passed to because his speed and ability to get open is his best skill. We wouldn’t get mad at reggie miller or ray allen for getting all the shots off of screens. Even amare struggled without a good pg.
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by phxpurple on Feb 20, 2012 11:41 AM MST via Android app up reply actions
Gortat and Ibaka is a horrible combination on offense. We need a scorer at the PF or to get rid of Gortat.
by BringBackBarkley17 on Feb 22, 2012 1:35 PM MST up reply actions
He actually does have an offensive game that is steadily improving from where he was as a rookie,
but he’s definitely not a game-changer on that side of the ball.
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Agreed
and he wouldn’t have to be an offensive game-changer, just the defensive anchor. Put him alongside Nash and a capable backup PG, his offensive game would continue to improve.
by ninecharacters on Feb 20, 2012 3:46 PM MST up reply actions
If I said what I think about your comment
Pass, see above. It’s a stocked draft but Nash is 38 and the standards are set. Short timetable. “Elite” status. We wouldn’t have time to develop young talent.
I would get banned if I said what I think about what you just wrote there.
by TruthTelling on Feb 19, 2012 4:06 PM MST reply actions 5 recs
These ideas arent tooooo bad
Especially from the garbage ive seen on here lately.
That said morris must stay alone with our draft pick. While I love nash I dont wanna throw away 2 future cogs away. morris and the pick(which will be high) must stay unless they net us a superstar in return.
Rolo (exp), dudz for d-will or beas and a throw in id do though. Along with swaping picks with minny since ours will be higher then theres but not by much
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by phxpurple on Feb 19, 2012 6:30 PM MST via Android app reply actions
D-Will=Deron Williams?
Why would the Nets accept that?
Joe Saunders: "They Giants played a really good game, so hats off to us"
Oh, alright, that makes a lot more sense!
I was about to say, Dudley for Deron Williams? I’d take that any day.
Joe Saunders: "They Giants played a really good game, so hats off to us"
Why would we
Give up 1st round picks when we are a rebuilding team… I’m pretty sure we can get WAY MORE THAN IBAKA for a hustle energy type starter, a promising rookie, and a top 10 pick…
by SunsASJD134 on Feb 20, 2012 7:51 AM MST via mobile reply actions
I would love Derrick Williams
After watching him March Madness last year, he became one of my favorite College players. But he’s been amazing in Minnesota, I doubt they’d give him up.
Joe Saunders: "They Giants played a really good game, so hats off to us"
Amazing?
How so? 7 ppg, 4rpg in 18 mg on 42% fg and 24% 3fg? Plus they have Kevin Love at PF so he’ll never really get a true shot. I may be wrong, but I think he hasn’t worked out all that well at SF and is really a PF.
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From what I'd heard, he was doing pretty good
I didn’t know he was actually a PF though. So I guess there is a shot Minnesota would let him go.
Joe Saunders: "They Giants played a really good game, so hats off to us"
They also have Anthony Randolph and Tolliver on the squad
playing the same position, and Pekovich is sometimes a PF as well.
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Well, A-Train is a FA.
Randolph doesn’t need to play. And I don’t think Pek plays much PF. But they do have depth.
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Anthony Randolph would be very good in our system and I don’t think it’d take much to get him
by Lebrontophx2010 on Feb 20, 2012 7:30 PM MST up reply actions
No thanks.
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Why?
Anthony Randolf looks servicable to me. He isn’t a star, but he’s athletic, can block shots and run the floor. If the price was Lopez and we got a first rounder I’m listening.
Randolph has had 3 chances now and still hasn’t been able to make a rotation. Some T’Wolves fans liked some of the things they’ve seen from him over the last 2 years, but he hasn’t done enough to get on the court consistently with a couple of bad teams. After dealing with Earl Clark, I’d rather not waste our time.
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Well said.
Besides, we have Markieff and Frye as our PFs. Definitely better than Anthony Randolph.
Just because Steve Nash has that "dirty hipster" look doesn't mean he's in need of a shower. Steve Nash bathes in the tears of his victims on a nightly basis.
Mark of a Beast, baby. Mark of a Beast.
Come on guys
Cheer up! We’re only a Lou Amundson away from being a contender! We let Lou walk, and our team just fell apart. Short-sighted on Sarver’s part. Maybe we can re-sign Lou and go back to elite status.
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Yea but he sucks out
Injured and broken. He’s lost all his hops….and they stole his bike
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by phxpurple on Feb 21, 2012 12:19 PM MST via Android app up reply actions

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