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NBA Draft 2012: Damian Lillard, Future Sun?

NBA Draft 2012: Damian Lillard, Future Sun?

I have been a big fan of Lillard for the past few months as a player in potentially towards the end of the first round. For the first time, the nation’s leading scorer is being thought of as a possible lottery pick. With Lillard now considered the best Point Guard in the 2012 draft, the Suns may be one of the teams with most interest in the 6-2 guard from Weber State.

SEASON

GMS

MIN

PTS

REB

AST

TO

A/T

STL

BLK

PF

FG%

FT%

3P%

2011-12

26

33.8

24.5

5.3

3.9

2.2

1.76

1.4

0.2

1.9

.478

.887

.448

2010-11

10

28.5

17.7

3.8

3.3

2.8

1.18

1.4

0.2

2.3

.438

.857

.345

2009-10

31

34.3

19.9

4.0

3.6

2.4

1.51

1.1

0.1

1.9

.431

.853

.393

These are his stats from his first 3 years at Weber State (albeit in the Big Sky conference) and it is hard to find many faults with these besides the lack of assists. Compare these stats with those from Jimmer Fredette’s Senior numbers at BYU below.

Statistics

G

FG%

3P%

FT%

Tot.

Avg.

Asst

Bl

St

Tot.

Avg.

2010-2011

37

45.2

39.6

89.4

127

3.4

4.3

0.0

1.3

1068

28.9

More after the jump......

Star-divide

“NBA Comparison: Ramon Sessions/Eric Maynor

Strengths:
Late blooming 6’2 PG with ideal size and strength for the position … A standout scorer with the ability to knock down shots as well as strong penetration ability … Has a pretty pull up off the dribble and has range well past NBA 3 point ... Also has an effective catch and shoot … Excels at three point shooting: (39%) on a high volume of shots ... Quality ball handler ... Polished one on one skills … Nice quickness: Shows a strong ability to get by his man to the rim … Has the ability to use both hands on the drive … Also shows a developing floater in the lane when his drives get cut off by big men in the paint … Gets to the line well where he’s a quality free throw shooter (85%) … Shows a the ability to run a team and get his shots within the flow of the offense … Quality pick and roll player … Wants the ball at the end of games, and steps up to the challenge when the game is on the line …

Weaknesses: Very good from outside and driving to the rim, but needs to improve his midrange game … Solid athlete, though not extraordinary … Assist to turnover ratio is good but could stand to improve 1.5-to-1 … Gets a little careless with the ball at times … Playing at Weber State, he will have to go above and beyond to get the recognition and respect he deserves … It is also questionable how much development/improvement he can make playing against inferior competition on a regular basis … Struggled down the stretch of the season in big games with his decision making. Will need to show that he can be a steadying influence and has the ability to elevate his game in big games situations … Makes better decisions in the half court than full. Will need to become better on the break … “

Via nbadraft.net this was written in 2010 after his freshman year. I’m not sure how accurate those comparisons are, but Lillard called himself a more athletic Jimmer and I would tend to agree with that.

Obviously no one is sure where he will end up but I will list where a few sites have him going:

ESPN.com: 13(Top 100), 9(Mock Draft)

Nbadraft.net: 22

Draftexpress.com: 18

These guys know more than me but I would say he will be drafted in the 11-15 range.

At the moment, it looks like the Suns will be drafting in the 9-12 range. Lillard will almost certainly be on the board then (provided Utah don’t pick him with Golden States’ pick), but so will some of the Suns presumed targets such as Shooting Guards Brad Beal and Jeremy Lamb. A signing of Aaron Brooks will change the Suns willingness to draft a point guard however.

Lillard would appear to be NBA ready and looks as if he has the ability to defend NBA guards. He is a pure shooter, 48 FG%, 45 3P% and 88 FT% are close to Steve Nash numbers, those numbers won’t translate in his first few years in the league but he has certainly shown the potential to be a very good point guard someday. He is also very confident, mature and well spoken. If Lillard was to play 20 minutes a game for two years behind Nash and continue to improve, he could be a very good starting point guard once Nash decides to call it a day on his career.

Draftexpress have a great analysis of Lillard here: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Damian-Lillard-6152/ , this is particularly impressive; “ he actually ranks #1 amongst all NCAA point guard prospects terms of turnovers per possession, coughing the ball up on just 10% of his possessions.” With all the problems our back up PG's have had turning the ball over, this would be a breath of fresh air.

Could Lillard be the heir to Steve Nash? It is possible, but if the Suns trade for a pick later in the draft they could target Kendall Marshall, Tony Wroten, Marquis Teague or Myack Kabongo. Free agency could be an option with DJ Augustin, Goran Dragic, Jerryd Bayless and Aaron Brooks available. But Lillard would appear to me to be the best long term option compared to all these guys.

Check out some of the Lillard's high school highlights here, some Weber State highlights here and an in depth interview here

Like I have said, Lillard won’t be the only guy on the Suns’ radar on draft night; Perry Jones out of Baylor is dropping down mock drafts lately with his inconsistent play. Brad Beal and Jeremy Lamb both have potential to be great scorers in the NBA and Meyers Leonard from Illinois could be a nice backup for Gortat.

The 2nd round – The Suns currently do not have a 2nd round draft pick after it was traded to Atlanta for Josh Childress, but if the Suns do manage to acquire a 2nd round pick there are few guys they may be interested in.

Scott Machado, PG, Iona – 6-1, 180: His lack of athleticism and pretty low ceiling has made him fall to the 2nd round but his incredible floor vision and passing which led to him leading the nation in assists (10.1) means he could contribute to a team straight away.

Robert Sacre, C, Gonzaga – 7-0, 247: A 7 footer who doesn’t rebound great (6.5rpg) may remind you of a certain someone already on the Suns roster but Sacre is a very solid post player and a solid shooter from 10-14 feet. He is also a pretty good defender and shot blocker, but like Machado he lacks athleticism and potential. With Lopez heading for Free agency, adding another big man can’t hurt.

Tu Holloway, PG, Xavier – 6-0, 185: The senior from Xavier is a very good all round point guard, averaging 17.3ppg and 5.6apg. He relies a bit too much on his average jumpshot so his offense may struggle at the next level. He is a good distributor and could very well be a rotation player straight away in the NBA.

Tomas Satoransky, PG/SG, Czech Republic – 6-7, 210: Satoransky is not defiantly entering the draft but if he does, he will probably be an early 2nd round pick. He has fantastic size and athleticism for a point guard but he is not a great shooter from deep (30 3PT%), and he has no real shot of the dribble. I’m not crazy about this guy, he probably isn’t NBA ready but has lots of potential. I would rather see us take Machado or Holloway.


Thanks for reading ;)

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If we could get a second pick in the first

Id say hellll yea. It just depends on free agency.
If we get a SG SF PF in Fa or trade then yea pick this guy.
But if we get a PG in FA or trade then pass and fill another need

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by phxpurple on Feb 22, 2012 9:33 PM MST via Android app reply actions  

I like Machado as a back-up. Too bad we don't have a second rounder.

I haven’t seen enough of Lillard to have any real strong opinions, but I don’t think I want him, especially in the lottery. Go with a better player there.

May I make a suggestion? I think you should have Jimmer’s stats in a similar form to Lillard’s. Comparing averages to totals, and having them in different orders makes it more difficult to understand.

Otherwise, excellent post. SunsASJD134, this is what a FanPost is supposed to look like.

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by Omaha Sun on Feb 22, 2012 11:03 PM MST reply actions  

Uhhhh this is British Sun who posted this

Sunsadstu1369 or whatever made the other PG fanpost

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by phxpurple on Feb 23, 2012 1:54 AM MST via Android app up reply actions  

What a difference a punctuation makes.

A comma, and you’d be right. A period, like I used, breaks it up and clears up what I was trying to say. Proper punctuation saves grandmas.

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by Omaha Sun on Feb 23, 2012 8:50 AM MST up reply actions  

Grandma is grateful for commas.

1. I love shooting, Grandma.

2. I love shooting Grandma.

Grandma will take the comma everytime.

Just because Steve Nash has that "dirty hipster" look doesn't mean he's in need of a shower. Steve Nash bathes in the tears of his victims on a nightly basis.

Mark of a Beast, baby. Mark of a Beast.

by NashMV3 on Feb 23, 2012 8:54 AM MST up reply actions   3 recs

This is an amazing fanpost, BritishSun. Rec'd.

He certainly looks like a good option as a backup PG. I don’t watch enough college basketball to know who our best prospect would be coming out of the draft, but your post certainly has me thinking. But Omaha’s talk about all the talented PFs coming in also has me leaning that way.

Maybe it’s time I follow college ball more…

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by NashMV3 on Feb 22, 2012 11:06 PM MST reply actions  

Also, Jimmer isn't the player I want for us.

So if Weber is like Jimmer, no thanks.

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by Omaha Sun on Feb 22, 2012 11:55 PM MST reply actions  

Weber = Lillard

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by Omaha Sun on Feb 22, 2012 11:56 PM MST up reply actions  

I can totally understand that

His game was Similar to Jimmer at the college level, but he has a lot more potential at the NBA level I feel. His penetration will be vital in the NBA and he will defiantly be a PG whereas Jimmer was always destined to be JJ Reddick 2.0

by BritishSun on Feb 23, 2012 6:01 AM MST up reply actions  

I think hell fall

PG isnt as much as a need as wings and forwards and centers.
sure everyone could use a a pg like him in there rotation but not if a foward is there at that slot. I think hell based based of the markets needs, not his game. This could be good for us if we could swing a second first rounder

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by phxpurple on Feb 23, 2012 2:55 AM MST via Android app reply actions  

Fail

Lilliard with the Suns pick would be utter failure.

There are no lottery worthy prospects at the PG position in this years draft, so it would be beyond stupid if the Suns reached for one when they have no position set for the future really.

Kabongo long term can develop into a solid pass first starting PG in the NBA. Tony Wroten can be a combo guard.

by TruthTelling on Feb 23, 2012 3:31 AM MST reply actions  

Fair enough

Many have tried and failed to change your opinion so I won’t try ;)

But I’m not suggesting we reach on him, but if we draft at 13 and people like Beal and Lamb have already gone, I would rather take him over Tyler Zeller or John Henson.

I do agree about Kabongo being a solid pass first PG and he is probably a better fit than Lillard but I think he is going back to Texas for a year.

by BritishSun on Feb 23, 2012 6:06 AM MST up reply actions  

I think Kabongo's going back too.

Although that’s what I thought about Cory Joseph so what do I know?

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by Omaha Sun on Feb 23, 2012 8:51 AM MST up reply actions  

He'd be a nice pick if the Suns have a 2nd round pick

Hopefully they could acquire one during draft night.

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by Spit_Fire on Feb 23, 2012 5:47 AM MST reply actions  

Great post. Rec'd!

And this.

The 2nd round – The Suns currently do not have a 2nd round draft pick after it was traded to Atlanta for Josh Childress, but if the Suns do manage to acquire a 2nd round pick there are few guys they may be interested in.

Ugh, thanks for reminding us. In this deep draft, there will probably be a viable NBA player in that spot. The Josh Childress signing: the gift that keeps on giving.

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by East Bay Ray on Feb 23, 2012 2:11 PM MST reply actions  

Tyshawn Taylor

I wouldn’t mind to get this guy with an early 2nd round pick or possible end of first round pick.

by TruthTelling on Feb 23, 2012 2:47 PM MST reply actions  

No thanks.

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by Omaha Sun on Feb 23, 2012 3:34 PM MST up reply actions  

No way, I'll be really bored if we pick Lilard

There’ll be much better players, with better potential at that point in the draft.

by pereplyotkin on Feb 23, 2012 2:59 PM MST reply actions   1 recs

The only reason he will probably be a lottery pick is because Utah’s desperate for a PG

by pereplyotkin on Feb 23, 2012 3:00 PM MST up reply actions  

I can't hear his name without thinking of Matthew Lillard

as Shaggy on Scooby Doo

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by jc79 on Feb 23, 2012 4:31 PM MST reply actions  

Voted most likely to say "I told you so"

by jc79 on Feb 23, 2012 4:32 PM MST up reply actions  

Ruh Roh.

Just because Steve Nash has that "dirty hipster" look doesn't mean he's in need of a shower. Steve Nash bathes in the tears of his victims on a nightly basis.

Mark of a Beast, baby. Mark of a Beast.

by NashMV3 on Feb 23, 2012 8:31 PM MST up reply actions  

I just want to know if he can handle the rock....

He looks kinda scary, but at this point I’d toss him out there over Telfair….

Let's do this...!

by Daryl Ray on Feb 24, 2012 10:22 AM MST up reply actions  

I would sign Air Bud over Sebastian Telfair right now.

Seriously. That dawg can ball.

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Mark of a Beast, baby. Mark of a Beast.

by NashMV3 on Feb 27, 2012 12:16 AM MST up reply actions  

Wow...look at his A/T ratio

Nearly a 1 every year. I think it’s ok if he’s a PG that only dishes out 3-5 assists a game…but he can’t be rivaling that stat with an equal number of turnovers.

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by sidepart on Feb 23, 2012 4:35 PM MST reply actions  

PG?

Let me see if I understand this. He’s a pure shooter that doesn’t get many assists and doesn’t make good decisions in the open court …. but you think he’s the best point guard prospect in the draft?

by BenchSplinters on Feb 24, 2012 2:32 AM MST reply actions  

I'm sure that's what people said about Stephen Curry

Chad Ford believes he is the best PG in the draft and have to say I agree. His point guard skills aren’t great yet but he will improve, he has to be a scorer at Weber State for them to win, if he was playing with more quality college players he would probably be a 18 &7 guy.
And I’m guessing from your comment that you’ve never seen him play, take a look at his highlights and you will see why people are so impressed with this kid.

by BritishSun on Feb 24, 2012 3:00 AM MST up reply actions  

I always thought Steph was going to be a good PG.

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by Omaha Sun on Feb 24, 2012 12:50 PM MST up reply actions  

Ford also

compares Tony Wroten to Gary Payton.

by TruthTelling on Feb 25, 2012 1:52 PM MST up reply actions  

People also compared Dragic to Manu. It means they have a similar game, not that Wroten will be as good as Payton.

by BritishSun on Feb 25, 2012 2:19 PM MST up reply actions  

For anyone who is interested

Last night, Lillard went for 30 points and 8 assists with just 1 turnover. Lillard shot 5-10 from three and 13-14 from the free throw line, While holding Northern Colorado’s PG to 3-13 shooting.

by BritishSun on Feb 24, 2012 3:15 AM MST reply actions  

wow, well that's a linsane game...

I have to admit, you have me intrigued by the guy.

by Gildo on Feb 24, 2012 2:25 PM MST up reply actions  

Never heard of that team

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by Airwave on Feb 24, 2012 2:26 PM MST up reply actions  

Did you expect him to drop 60 on them??

A stat line like that is impressive against any D1 team.

by BritishSun on Feb 25, 2012 2:16 PM MST up reply actions  

and Eddie House

put up 61 against California for ASU.

averaged 23ppg 5.5rpg 3.5apg 2.3spg

compared to Lillard 24.5ppg 5.3rpg 3.9apg 1.4spg

Lillard plays a weak schedule that overrates his stats too.

by TruthTelling on Feb 25, 2012 2:45 PM MST up reply actions  

Lillard has a game that translates to the NBA better than House did, his penetration is probably even better than his shooting.

His weak conference obviously inflates his stats but if you put him on Kentucky instead of Marquis Teague, I still believe he gets pretty good stats (Obviously nothing like his WSU stats though).

by BritishSun on Feb 25, 2012 3:04 PM MST up reply actions  

yh but

Lillard is a junior, Teague a freshman..

I could see maybe taking Lillard earlier if you need quicker results but we are not that team we need a draft pick with high upside.
Lillard in the lottery would be epic fail for the Suns.

I’d rather get Wroten, Kabongo, Teague, Marshall than Lillard around #17-20. Wroten is the only one I’d consider higher.

by TruthTelling on Feb 25, 2012 3:18 PM MST up reply actions  

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