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A Rough Draft Of A Rough Draft: Players The Suns Should Target In The 2012 NBA Draft Lottery

The Phoenix Suns have gotten off to a rough start this season. Sitting 12th in the Western Conference with a 9-14 record during a condensed, shortened season, there is little hope for a playoff berth barring a dramatic change in the Suns' level of play. As this harsh reality became more and more evident with each passing game, many fans on this blog, in order to maintain their sanity, began to take part in a favorite past-time of fans of struggling professional sports teams everywhere: looking ahead to the future.

There has already been plenty of discussion regarding free agency as the Suns have positioned themselves to be major players on the market. Now it is time to take a look at another way to add talent to the roster: the 2012 NBA Draft.

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WHERE WILL WE DRAFT?

Projecting the Suns' position in the draft would be an exercise in futility. There are far too many games left to be played and the lottery system means we really won't know who will be drafting where until the lottery happens. Therefore, I'll just cover all my bases and take a brief look at the entire lottery with special emphasis on the middle picks as that is where Phoenix is most likely to end up if little changes.

WHAT DO WE NEED?

Everyone on this blog is likely pretty familiar with what the team's needs are at this point. "Talent" would be an appropriate way to sum it up. This roster is lacking in starting caliber talent outside of Steve Nash and Marcin Gortat, which forces quality reserves to play roles they are not suited for. The Suns need more talent. Talent talent talent. The position doesn't even really matter that much.

However, the most glaring hole on the roster lies on the wing, and fortunately there are a few stud shooting guards and small forwards in this draft.

The strength of this class is the big men, however, especially the power forwards. The Suns just used a late lottery pick on Markieff Morris last year and the former Jayhawk has done some nice things. But that shouldn't prevent the team from taking another power forward if that's the spot that offers the most value when the Suns are on the clock.

Phoenix has been searching for a successor for Nash ever since he signed with the team for the second time. Unfortunately, the team may have to wait another year for that as this year's point guard class is rather weak.

WHO IS AVAILABLE?

The prize of this draft is Anthony Davis, the sensational freshman forward at Kentucky. Davis is a 6-foot-10, 214 pound power forward with a freakish 7-foot-4 wingspan and incredible athleticism. Davis was a 6-foot-3 guard his junior year of high school before shooting up seven inches, and as such has good ball-handling and passing skills for a big man. His offense is still developing, but there is plenty of potential there and he could turn into a solid scorer. But Davis makes his money on the defensive end, where he is an absolute force. His athleticism and instincts make him an imposing figure in the paint as he leads the nation in blocked shots at 4.6 per game. Davis is also very fluid and mobile for his size and can step out on the perimeter to contest shots without any problems. He's also an excellent rebounder despite his thin frame. He's drawn comparisons to Marcus Camby, although I believe he has more potential to be an impact player on offense than Camby. If you haven't gotten the chance to watch him play, do so. His impact is enormous and he is lot of fun to watch.

Andre Drummond is Davis' main competitor for the top spot. Drummond is a 6-foot-11 251 pound freshman center at UConn who is supremely gifted. His mix of size and quickness is remarkable and he is a tremendous athlete. However, Drummond has struggled with consistency and is reportedly returning to school for his sophomore season. Drummond could always change his mind as the draft approaches, and if he does he'll be a high pick. He's drawn comparisons to Dwight Howard due to his physical gifts.

Next up on many big boards are a couple of small forwards that could look pretty good in purple and orange.

Michael Kidd-Gilchrist is a 6-foot-7 228 pound swingman who plays alongside Davis at Kentucky. Like his teammate, MKG is an elite defender who is capable of guarding multiple positions. He's equally good on and off the ball defensively and always finds a way to make an impact, be it steals, blocks, rebounds or just solid lock-down defense. His offense still needs refinement, particularly his jump-shot, but he's very versatile on that end as well. He's a good ball-handler and passer who likes to set up his teammates, but is also capable of getting his own shot off when needed. He compares favorably to Gerald Wallace or Andre Iguodala. I'd personally love for the Suns to end up with this kid, and to do that they likely need a top five pick.

Harrison Barnes is the other top five small forward prospect. The 6-foot-8 223 pound sophomore at North Carolina has a knack for putting the ball in the basket. Barnes is a very good jump-shooter and a crafty offensive player who has come up big in clutch situations many times. He is a good but not great athlete who relies on his jumper a bit more than I would like. He's also a good defender who has sound fundamentals. Barnes continues to receive franchise player hype, but I just don't see it. I think he will be an excellent secondary player on a good team, but I don't see him ever being "the guy" on a winning team. He's been compared to Luol Deng, which I agree with regarding both his game and the role for which he is best suited.

As I said above, the depth of this lottery lies in the power forward position. In the middle of the lottery there should be quite a few talented power forwards available, and each of them brings something different to the table.

Jared Sullinger, the sophomore center at Ohio State, put up a double-double as a freshman and has continued his excellent play this year. He will have to move to the four most likely in the NBA due to only being 6'9", but his wide body and strength should give him an advantage in the post. Sullinger is a very polished post scorer who excels at using his body to get deep post position and can finish with a variety of moves. He is also capable of stepping out and knocking down a jump shot when he needs to. Sullinger is just an average athlete and as such is not a very imposing defensive presence in the paint, but he is an excellent rebounder who, similar to Kevin Love, knows how to use his body to establish inside position and secure the rebound.

Thomas Robinson is a junior at Kansas and is one of the leading candidates for national player of the year in the NCAA. Robinson is averaging nearly 18 points and 12 rebounds for the Jayhawks this year after being buried on the bench behind the Morris twins last season. He is a chiseled 6-foot-10 and 240 pounds with a 7-foot-1 wingspan and is a terrific athlete to boot. Robinson has also shown improved skills during his break-out season as his ball-handling, passing and jump-shot have all looked good this year. Robinson's physical tools and intensity are major pluses for him on the defensive end, and as his 11.8 average attests to he is a very good rebounder. If Phoenix is drafting around five or six, they should give some serious consideration to picking Robinson, even with Kieff already on the team. He would be an excellent complement to Gortat and would fit well into a pick-and-roll offense.

Perry Jones III of Baylor is one of the if not the most physically talented players in this draft. The Baylor sophomore is 6-foot-11 and 220 pounds with a 7-foot-2 wingspan and all the athleticism you could want in a power forward. He has shown great potential in the post and with his jumpshot and should be a mismatch for most forwards when he faces up from the high post. However, Jones has been inconsistent during his time with the Bears and has been passive at times. He's not particularly tough and is not a factor on the defensive end despite his gifts. He's certainly a talented prospect, but with the way comparable players like Anthony Randolph and Earl Clark have turned out in the NBA, I'd be wary of drafting Jones.

Terrence Jones, another lottery prospect at Kentucky, is 6-foot-9 and 249 pounds. Some believe he could play at small forward in the pros, but I believe he'd be best served as a face-up, stretch four. Jones is a good ball-handler and has range on his jump-shot out to the 3-point line, which should make him a match-up problem for more traditional power forwards. He is a bit short as far as NBA fours go but has a long wingspan and uses his length to his advantage on the defensive end. He's a solid defensive rebounder as well. Like the other Jones, though, he's been inconsistent. His jump-shot has come and gone in his time at Kentucky and it has hurt his confidence. He's been compared to Al Harrington and Michael Beasley, and I'm not sure that is the kind of player we are looking for.

The final power forward prospect predicted to go in the lottery is John Henson, the freakishly long 6-foot-10 forward at North Carolina. He is an excellent athlete with a massive wingspan, which makes him a terror in the paint on defense and a monster on the boards. Henson's offensive game is still raw, but he has put in some work and has improved somewhat. At the very least he is a very capable pick-and-roll finisher. Henson's biggest obstacle to transitioning to the NBA is his slight frame. He has spent plenty of time in the weight room and has bulked up a little, but but he's still only 220 pounds, which is far too light to hold his ground against NBA post players. Henson could be a good fit in Phoenix, but I'd pass for a player who can make more of an impact on the offensive end.

There are also a few intriguing wing prospects in this year's draft.

Bradley Beal is a 6-foot-4 freshman shooting guard playing his college ball at Florida. Beal makes his money with his jump-shot, as he is an excellent shooter whether he's spotting up, coming off screens or pulling up off the dribble. He relies mostly on his jumper at this point, though, as he hasn't developed into a strong driver or finisher and prefers to pull up rather than getting all the way to the rim. He is, however, a very good passer and an excellent rebounder for a guard. He brings it on the defensive end as well. I haven't seen a ton of Beal this season, but based on what I have seen and everything I've read, he sounds like an excellent choice if the Suns end up in the 8-10 range. We are lacking in scorers and shooters, and he would certainly help in both areas. He has been compared to Ray Allen, and unless Michael Redd enters his second prime we could certainly use one of those right now.

Jeremy Lamb is another possibility for the Suns in the mid-to-late lottery. He's a 6-foot-5 shooting guard who exploded onto the scene in last year's NCAA Tournament as he, along with Bobcats' rookie Kemba Walker, lead the UConn Huskies to the NCAA title. Lamb has stepped up in Walker's absence to become the Huskies' leading scorer. Lamb is a versatile scorer with a vast array of tools on the offensive end. His wingspan is also reportedly 7-foot-1 which allows him to get in the passing lanes on defense and disrupt offenses. I'm not in love with Walker, as he bails out defenses far too much by settling for bad shots and doesn't always move the ball when he needs to. Lamb is also very slight of build at just 185 pounds and that can hurt him when trying to finish around the basket or when defending stronger guards. That being said, Lamb would be a great fit on this Suns team who is in desperate need of someone who can create their own offense.

A few wing prospects that are getting some late lottery consideration that I'm not too familiar with yet are Baylor's Quincy Miller who has drawn Kevin Durant comparisons, Terrence Ross of Washington who has been compared to Dorrell Wright and Tony Wroten, also a Husky, who has been compared to Tyreke Evans as a 6-foot-5 combo-guard.

As for the point guard crop, there isn't a whole lot here in terms of lottery talent.

The top two prospects, Myck Kabongo of Texas and Kentucky's Marquis Teague, could both be returning to school for their sophomore years. Kabongo looks to be the best of the bunch as he is a true floor general, but he is a bit raw and could go very high in 2013 if he returns for another year of development. Teague, brother of Atlanta Hawks' point guard, is a tremendous athlete and gifted scorer but is not a proficient shooter nor does he have great court vision at this point. Another year of development would also serve him well.

North Carolina's Kendall Marshall will likely be the first point guard off the board if the two freshman return to school. Marshall is a true point guard, as he has an incredibly high basketball IQ and might be the best passer in college basketball. He excels at controlling tempo and setting up his teammates for good looks, and does a good job of taking care of the ball. He is the engine that makes the Tar Heels go and is one of the biggest reasons for them leading the NCAA in scoring. He's also incredibly fun to watch if you're a fan of unselfish basketball. However, Marshall's offensive game is virtually non-existent. He is not a consistent shooter from anywhere on the court as of yet, and his sub-par athleticism makes it tough for him to get to the basket and finish around the rim. Marshall is excellent at running a team and setting guys up to score, but the lack of talent on this roster make him a bad fit for the Suns. We need a capable scorer at the point, and Marshall will likely never be that.

The Suns might be best served waiting until the 2nd round to look for a new point guard where they could pick up someone like Xavier's Tu Holloway or Iona's Scott Machado. Both of these guys could turn out to be solid NBA players and should be available later on.

WHEN IS THE DRAFT?

Not for a long time. The opinions expressed in this post are subject to change over the next couple of months as circumstances change and I am able to see a bit more of these players. There are always risers and fallers in every draft. But as of right now, my favorite prospects for the Suns are Anthony Davis (yeah right), Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, Thomas Robinson, Bradley Beal and Jeremy Lamb. I'll be watching these guys closely, especially in March as they are all capable of taking their teams on deep runs, and would encourage you to do the same.

Now it's your turn. Where do you think the Suns will be drafting? Who do you have your eye on? Which players would you love to be sporting the purple and orange next year?

Poll
Which position should the Suns target in the 2012 NBA Draft?
Center
19 votes
Power Forward
88 votes
Small Forward
96 votes
Shooting Guard
209 votes
Point Guard
114 votes
None. Sell the pick!
25 votes

551 votes | Poll has closed

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Shout-out to NashMV3 for coming up with the title for this post.

Also, this turned out EXTREMELY long. Let me know if you want me to split this up into big men and perimeter players.

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by Omaha Sun on Feb 5, 2012 4:52 PM MST reply actions   1 recs

Woooo, I'm proud to say I was there for the creation of that name.

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by Dragic_is_Magic on Feb 5, 2012 5:04 PM MST via mobile up reply actions   2 recs

Yes you were.

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by Omaha Sun on Feb 5, 2012 5:05 PM MST up reply actions  

I did warn yu guys this would be long as well.

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by Omaha Sun on Feb 5, 2012 5:05 PM MST up reply actions  

I was there too!

Just because Steve Nash has that "dirty hipster" look doesn't mean he's in need of a shower. Steve Nash bathes in the tears of his victims on a nightly basis.

Mark of a Beast, baby. Mark of a Beast.

by NashMV3 on Feb 5, 2012 6:05 PM MST up reply actions   2 recs

OK,

I wasn’t sure about the collective attention span of BSotS. I can kind of ramble on when I start talking about basketball…

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by Omaha Sun on Feb 5, 2012 8:42 PM MST up reply actions  

I wouldn't worry about the collective-- SQUIRREL!

Seriously, if Robin Lopez plays well, but Gortat is called the Hammer, Shannon—Don’t Shoot! flamethrower, trade everybody, K33f! that is all, Will Dudz Dunk? I LOVE THIS TEAM…

What was the question?

by SteveNash, QuantumPhysicist on Feb 5, 2012 9:16 PM MST up reply actions   3 recs

Thanks.

You weren’t kidding. This was one REALLY long piece. Still rec’d the crap out of it though. Very insightful.

For the poll, I chose to draft a PF based on what you wrote in your article. I agree that we have glaring holes in just about every position except for starting PG and C. While we may be in great need of a wing who can create his own shot and score, we’ll find a good number of guys like that available in free agency (Eric Gordon, OJ Mayo, Ray Allen, etc.). What we could really use is a talented starting-caliber PF because let’s face it… Frye’s not a starting power forward and Markieff isn’t at that level yet.

Just because Steve Nash has that "dirty hipster" look doesn't mean he's in need of a shower. Steve Nash bathes in the tears of his victims on a nightly basis.

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by NashMV3 on Feb 5, 2012 6:17 PM MST up reply actions  

I'm kind of thinking along similar lines.

If we have a shot at Robinson, I think we should take him. If we win a few more games and end up around 8-10, then Beal or Lamb are not bad consolation prizes.

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by Omaha Sun on Feb 5, 2012 8:43 PM MST up reply actions  

Robinson

is such a poor fit imo..

He is a great kid but he has many flaws and is also older and probably has less room for development.

A lot of his play comes from physical advantages in college right now. He is undersized a little like Markieff. Does not block shots.

He is a poor roster fit for us and I don’t like him so much more that I would pass up other prospects like Austin Rivers, Quincy Miller, Perry Jones to get Robinson.

by TruthTelling on Feb 6, 2012 10:49 AM MST up reply actions  

Why do you keep harping on blocking shots? That’s such a minor part of the game.

And I disagree about the room for improvement. His skills have improved a ton from just last year, where he was basically a physical beast who came in to dunk the ball. He’s shown the ability to shoot, handle the ball, and make some good passes.

And he’s not that small. 6’10" in shoes and a cut 240 with plenty of strength and athleticism. He has about an inch on Kieff and is a much better athlete.

I think Rivers should go back to school. He obviously doesn’t have to worry about money right now and as talented as he is he still has a long way to go.

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by Omaha Sun on Feb 6, 2012 11:42 AM MST up reply actions  

T-Rob

is more like 6’9 in shoes.

Blocking shots is not a minor part of the game. When neither your center nor power forward are capable shotblockers or shot “changers” than your defense will have trouble with penetration. I don’t see that kind of ability in either Gortat or Robinson to anchor a good defense.

Robinson is too similiar to Markieff imo simply. You can’t play them together either, like you could maybe do with Anthony Davis or Perry Jones at the 5 eventually.

I would take Davis, Drummond, Gilchrist, Jones, Beal, Barnes and Rivers over TRob for our team.

by TruthTelling on Feb 6, 2012 12:53 PM MST up reply actions  

plus

it is not so easy to develop 2 players at the same position.

I also would not want us to pick Sullinger or Henson. The only way I would pick a PF is if he has ability to be a total game changer like Drummond and Davis. I would consider Perry Jones in that class as well if he keeps up the strong play for the rest of the year.

by TruthTelling on Feb 6, 2012 12:55 PM MST up reply actions  

Gilchrist

I am also souring a bit on Michael Kidd-Gilchrist. He has great work ethic and I thought he would be a leader.

But if you watch his interviews, the guy really has trouble articulating himself that I doubt he can lead a team especially as a young guy. Calling him stupid is probably going too far based on just those interviews but it scares me a little.

youtube Gilchrist interviews
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBfSsZRxrJ0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvcuLo9X16g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZviHdkD9U8k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O35djoQj57w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5THK_AIapY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApODSbhTNjw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdnriST6hHc

by TruthTelling on Feb 6, 2012 10:56 AM MST up reply actions  

You're scared off by an interview an 18-year-old did?

I’ve always been pretty smart. Straight-A, 4.0 student at some tough schools. There is nothing wrong with my level of intelligence. But I can’t talk to save my life. I’m terrible at articulating myself, especially when I’m nervous. You can’t possibly hold this against the kid.

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by Omaha Sun on Feb 6, 2012 11:48 AM MST up reply actions  

did you

watch the interviews? I wouldn’t bother if it was “Shawn Marion” type stupid interviews but MKG basically pauses like 10 seconds between every word it freaks me out a little.

by TruthTelling on Feb 6, 2012 12:48 PM MST up reply actions  

I did, at least part of a few of them, but I'm not worried.

You don’t have to interview well to be a good basketball player, or even a team leader. Especially when you’re 18 years old.

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by Omaha Sun on Feb 6, 2012 12:51 PM MST up reply actions  

Excellent post, Omaha. I completely agree with everything you said. And it wasn’t that long at all.

by BringBackBarkley17 on Feb 5, 2012 6:32 PM MST up reply actions  

Thanks BBB.

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by Omaha Sun on Feb 5, 2012 8:44 PM MST up reply actions  

TruthTelling’s article was way longer. I couldn’t even get through half of it, but yours was easy to get through. Good job, sir.

by BringBackBarkley17 on Feb 6, 2012 11:10 AM MST up reply actions  

omaha sun are you smoking crack?

" regarding free agency as the Suns have positioned themselves to be major players on the market."

by good like a-1 beer on Feb 5, 2012 5:06 PM MST reply actions  

That is true.

They have a ton of cap space. Whether anything comes of that we don’t know yet, but they certainly put themselves in position to try.

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by Omaha Sun on Feb 5, 2012 5:08 PM MST up reply actions   3 recs

It could be true

it all comes to the players if they want a ring or a ton of money

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by modernage13 on Feb 5, 2012 5:29 PM MST up reply actions  

its not all about the money..if it were then his statement would be accurate.

" regarding free agency as the Suns have positioned themselves to be major players on the market."…for that to be accurate then the suns would also have had to position themselves as a destination franchise….and they havent…most would argue they have done the opposite.

by good like a-1 beer on Feb 5, 2012 5:34 PM MST up reply actions  

By that line, I simply meant they have created significant cap room to go after free agents this summer.

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by Omaha Sun on Feb 5, 2012 8:45 PM MST up reply actions  

So...

Insightful commentary = Crack smoker?

I don’t get it.

Just because Steve Nash has that "dirty hipster" look doesn't mean he's in need of a shower. Steve Nash bathes in the tears of his victims on a nightly basis.

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by NashMV3 on Feb 5, 2012 6:18 PM MST up reply actions   3 recs

Not that hard to figure, really...

Insightful means ‘to view’ and Commentary is close to ‘cometary,’ so if you watch a comet crash into the earth, it will crack the ground and send up a lot of smoke, see?

by SteveNash, QuantumPhysicist on Feb 5, 2012 9:25 PM MST up reply actions   3 recs

The statement is true

if you are also on crack

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by jc79 on Feb 6, 2012 5:09 PM MST up reply actions  

We've already discussed free agency plenty of times.

This post was about the draft specifically. That’s all I was trying to say.

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by Omaha Sun on Feb 5, 2012 8:46 PM MST up reply actions  

yeah why didn’t you spend the whole draft article talking about free agency, Omaha?

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by Alex Laugan on Feb 5, 2012 8:58 PM MST up reply actions  

Because

What he had is already not long enough, lol.

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by Airwave on Feb 6, 2012 12:11 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Seriously.

That guys is such a slacker.

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by Omaha Sun on Feb 6, 2012 12:20 AM MST up reply actions  

thats what she said

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by jc79 on Feb 6, 2012 5:09 PM MST up reply actions  

We need to draft a talented PG if not a great SF if not a great C

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by Lino Canaan on Feb 5, 2012 5:35 PM MST reply actions  

If i could

I would kick every single coach, Bye Bye Dan, Alvin and Cartwright, just keep Turner.
Amnesty Chilyl.
GIve 2 millions to San Antonio scouters. now i got 34-2= 32
Bring John Callipari to NBA, now i got 32-1=31.
Trade Nash and get a 1st rounder.
Look for some super chinese PG around the world.
Draft a high skilled rebounding guy and nice pure shooter.
Sign Nic Batum and Nick Young, 31-16= 15.
Wait for next season with 15 mil while the current team gels..

Just for you get the picture of insanity over here.

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by Lino Canaan on Feb 5, 2012 5:47 PM MST up reply actions  

Kidd-Gilchrist is my man

If he’s not available, Jeremy Lamb, Bradley Beal, Quincy Miller and Thomas Robinson are the ones I’d like us to draft. We should draft the best man available but still be aware of our needs

by pereplyotkin on Feb 5, 2012 6:32 PM MST reply actions  

I agree.

I haven’t seen Miller play much yet, but I’ve heard some good things. I’ll have to keep an eye out for him.

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by Omaha Sun on Feb 5, 2012 8:47 PM MST up reply actions  

Right now

I like Bradley Beal out of the players who will likely be available when we pick. Of course, we may be in a completely different position in the standings by the end of the year.

by wedge1039 on Feb 5, 2012 7:41 PM MST reply actions  

Exactly.

Which is why I basically wen through the entire lottery. Who knows where we’ll end up? Beal is a smart pick for u in our current position though.

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by Omaha Sun on Feb 5, 2012 8:48 PM MST up reply actions  

I think you left off the best option

“Best Available Player”

We need everything. Picking the best available player makes the most sense.

by MMotherwell on Feb 5, 2012 7:46 PM MST reply actions   2 recs

I thought the same thing...

but that would be like the obvious choice, this makes it more interesting as far as results go for the votes.

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by AcucracK on Feb 5, 2012 7:48 PM MST up reply actions  

Honestly, I'm surprised anyone went with selling the pick.

I had thought people would be too depressed still to be able to joke about it. Guess it wasn’t too soon.

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by Omaha Sun on Feb 5, 2012 8:49 PM MST up reply actions  

All I want is

Drummond, Beal, MKG or maybe Barnes.

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by Suns R Us on Feb 5, 2012 8:31 PM MST reply actions  

Drummond would the best thing.

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by Lino Canaan on Feb 5, 2012 8:41 PM MST up reply actions  

Robinson and Lamb too if everyone else is gone

and yes Drummond is the best, I would take Drummond over Davis, Drummond is just like Amare.

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by Suns R Us on Feb 5, 2012 8:44 PM MST up reply actions  

Lamb

I am souring on him..

Have Rivers and Beal ahead of him and maybe Tony Wroten also.

by TruthTelling on Feb 6, 2012 10:51 AM MST up reply actions  

rofl

what kind of assumption is that?

Drummond seems to be a great guy.

by TruthTelling on Feb 6, 2012 12:55 PM MST up reply actions  

Per ESPN
Inconsistent, doesn’t always assert himself
Can be caught settling for perimeter shots
Can be foul prone

Plus he went back and forth as to where he was going to play and wanted to skip college. Just some of the court attitude that says “I have already arrived, it is just these rules that make me stay in school.” Immature and a little egocentric.

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by Suns Fan For Life on Feb 6, 2012 3:02 PM MST up reply actions  

Watch us pick Cody Zeller, another brother.

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by Suns R Us on Feb 5, 2012 8:52 PM MST reply actions  

Cody is actually projected to be the best of the bunch.

Possible top 5 pick if he goes back for one more year.

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by Omaha Sun on Feb 5, 2012 8:55 PM MST up reply actions  

Not that I'm an insider

But I work with a girl who goes to Kentucky and is on the girls team. She hangs with davis and said that if kentucky wins the title, he’ll leave but if they dont succed he’ll stay to develop more and bring the cats a title

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by phxpurple on Feb 5, 2012 8:54 PM MST via Android app reply actions  

That's interesting.

it would really suck if Drummond and Davis both return to school.

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by Omaha Sun on Feb 5, 2012 8:54 PM MST up reply actions  

Yea big time

It would mean we’d have to suck again to even have a shot at getting him. No doubt that an anthony davis with a year more of exp, will go top 3 next year

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by phxpurple on Feb 5, 2012 8:58 PM MST via Android app up reply actions  

decisions change when agents start talking about millions in spending money, and taking care of family and such things like that. The closer the draft, the more you can smell the money

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by Alex Laugan on Feb 5, 2012 9:00 PM MST up reply actions  

Plus you won't want to risk getting injured in another season

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by Suns R Us on Feb 5, 2012 9:02 PM MST up reply actions  

Yeah, Greg Monroe said he was coming back during the tournament, or shortly before I think.

3 months later, he was a top 10 pick.

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by Omaha Sun on Feb 5, 2012 10:50 PM MST up reply actions  

Well his fam is well off

But ya true

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by phxpurple on Feb 17, 2012 12:58 AM MST via Android app up reply actions  

I think the same is true for Drummond.

He’s not even on scholarship, so he can obviously afford to pay for school.

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by Omaha Sun on Feb 17, 2012 11:08 AM MST up reply actions  

I didn’t mention Tyler Zeller or Meyers Leonard in the piece because I think they are bad fits for PHX with Gortat on the team. But they are possible lottery picks at C.

Also, DX thinks Cody Zeller is going back to school, so I didn’t include him either.

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by Omaha Sun on Feb 5, 2012 8:54 PM MST reply actions  

and Patric Young

another lottery pick C, a lot of defense, but no offense.

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by Suns R Us on Feb 5, 2012 8:58 PM MST up reply actions  

I haven't seen much lottery conversation for him.

He’s close, but more in the 15-18 range from what I’ve seen. Being 6’9" hurts him a lot, since he’s a C. He’s a heckuvan athlete and is totally ripped, and would make a stud PF if he could develop any kind of jumper. He sure can dunk the hell out of the ball though, and his passing has impressed me.

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by Omaha Sun on Feb 5, 2012 10:52 PM MST up reply actions  

ESPN Lottery game keeps giving me the #10 pick with Lamb

http://espn.go.com/nba/lottery2012/mockdraft
I got Harrison Barnes once though, we got 2nd pick.

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by Suns R Us on Feb 5, 2012 8:59 PM MST reply actions  

Lamb would be a heckuva player for the Suns.

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by Alex Laugan on Feb 5, 2012 9:00 PM MST up reply actions  

Wow how the heck did you do that. I tried it like 50 times and never moved into the top 3 once.

by BringBackBarkley17 on Feb 6, 2012 2:35 PM MST up reply actions  

Well,

At 1.1%, statistically, we would have a 1 in 90 chance so keep going.

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by Suns Fan For Life on Feb 6, 2012 3:04 PM MST up reply actions  

My rec is only the second? What?

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by East Bay Ray on Feb 5, 2012 9:17 PM MST reply actions  

Sigh...

No appreciation for hard work.

Just because Steve Nash has that "dirty hipster" look doesn't mean he's in need of a shower. Steve Nash bathes in the tears of his victims on a nightly basis.

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by NashMV3 on Feb 5, 2012 9:24 PM MST up reply actions  

I've witnessed a lot of rec whoring

but it’s rare to see a rec pimp!

Hey- Don't Blame ME

by escape goat on Feb 5, 2012 9:33 PM MST up reply actions  

I'll get your money soon Ray.

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by Omaha Sun on Feb 5, 2012 10:53 PM MST up reply actions  

Rec Omaha!

well, not wreck Omaha, obviously, but a Rec for Omaha, cause he can think logical-linear-sequential, unlike most of the rest of—squirrel!

by SteveNash, QuantumPhysicist on Feb 5, 2012 9:29 PM MST reply actions  

Omaha could use an Oreck right about now.

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by NashMV3 on Feb 5, 2012 9:41 PM MST up reply actions  

Sure could.

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by Omaha Sun on Feb 5, 2012 10:53 PM MST up reply actions  

Rec

I really don’t care what position we draft as this point as long as we are going with who our organization feels is the best fit on our team. I have no idea what kind of offense and things we will be running though once Steve Nash retires.

We need our choice to be someone who can succeed outside of just the offense we run now because I can’t see this system being replicated by our roster any time soon once Nash is gone. Nobody can do what Steve does here.

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by Airwave on Feb 6, 2012 12:15 AM MST reply actions  

I also am not looking at where we're drafting too much.

This draft is much better than last year’s in terms of depth. We’ll have a chance to pick a good player pretty much anywhere we end up in the draft.

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by Omaha Sun on Feb 6, 2012 12:21 AM MST up reply actions  

*pretty much anywhere we end up in the lottery

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by Omaha Sun on Feb 6, 2012 12:21 AM MST up reply actions  

True

I am just hoping the FO is looking for players that can flourish if/when we lose Nash. That is included in both FA and the draft.

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by Airwave on Feb 6, 2012 12:40 AM MST up reply actions  

I wish

I didn’t hate college sports so much so that I could look into all the prospects more deeply haha.

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by Airwave on Feb 6, 2012 12:40 AM MST reply actions  

Great post Omaha Sun

I went SF only because we might be able to get Mayo or Gordan but a guess we have to draft the best player avalible and not worry about what position.

I haven’t seen Baylor’s Quincy Miller but why do people liken him to Kevin Durrant? Can he flat out shoot, is he just a slim 6’9 SF? If he has Durrant potential and we can get him middle or late 1st rd i say we go for it.

by Sunderstruck on Feb 6, 2012 2:52 AM MST reply actions  

He’s a long 6’9" 200 lbs, is fluid and can make plays on the dribble, and can shoot the ball. He was a stud in HS and then tore his ACL, and his bouncing back from that. Not entirely Kevin Durant, but I can understand the comparisons.

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by Omaha Sun on Feb 6, 2012 12:03 PM MST up reply actions  

Great stuff….what about Austin Rivers though?

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by Seth Pollack on Feb 6, 2012 7:51 AM MST reply actions  

love him

would be one of the strong candidates at #10 along with Beal, Miller whoever drops..

by TruthTelling on Feb 6, 2012 10:47 AM MST up reply actions  

As I said above, I don't think he's ready.

I was going to mention him, but kind of forgot about it.

I’ve only seen him a few times, but I’m not in love with the kid. There is no doubt he’s a talent. He has an ability to take people off the dribble that this team is desperately lacking. However, I haven’t liked his decision-making or shot-selection at all. Perhaps he’s been getting better as all I’ve seen of him recently was that sick game-tier against FSU. But at times he hasn’t looked ready for college, let alone the NBA. DX has him at 20 right now if he were to come out, while nbadraft.net has him going back to school

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by Omaha Sun on Feb 6, 2012 12:14 PM MST up reply actions  

Agreed Omaha, I've watched him in nearly every Duke game this year...

and I’m not overly impressed. Granted he’s a good player, but to me it seems like he still needs another year or two of development in college. I don’t think his game would suit the NBA very well at all right now.

Hopefully he stays in school another year and we can have this conversation again next season.

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by 7footer on Feb 7, 2012 4:55 PM MST up reply actions  

I gotta say...

with all the talk around big men in the league now, I think we have to go for the best PF or C available unless there is an all-star PG to be had. The Suns have always lacked depth in the front court and quality big men seem to trade better in this league that little guys. I would rather have a glut at the 4/5 than bust on a PG.

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by N8lol on Feb 6, 2012 8:06 AM MST reply actions  

wow man..

The Suns should just go with the BPA.

But from a roster standpoint SG clearly makes the most sense along with SF.

by TruthTelling on Feb 6, 2012 10:52 AM MST up reply actions  

There are plenty of talented wing players available in free agency.

So drafting a wing player isn’t mandatory. It’d be more prudent to pick up a big man, but the best available is usually the best option.

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by NashMV3 on Feb 6, 2012 1:58 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

Huge fan of MKG

He has a bunch of intangibles that do not come out in stats. I read his comparison to Gerald Wallace a few weeks ago and I was sold on his ability. I have seen him play. He may not be able to lead with words, but he is definately a leader on the court. Out of all the talent on that team, he is the one who takes charge.
The biggest drawback is his lack of three point shot. This is a huge part of what our offense has been the last few years. If he can’t stretch the floor that could be a problem. This is why I have been warming up to Barnes, despite the fact he likely won’t be there when we draft unless we win the lotto. He is a pure scorer/shooter and can play good but not great D. I would still have to lean toward MKG because of the hustle/effort/defense. Plus, guys can learn to shoot.

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by Suns Fan For Life on Feb 6, 2012 11:32 AM MST reply actions  

I am all about Drummond….but bottom line is that the Suns need to get more athletic. Any way, shape, or form. They don’t need to be a pure shooter, just active around the basket and can run the floor.

My .02 cents

by FourHorseman on Feb 6, 2012 12:49 PM MST reply actions  

.02 cents?

Couldn’t be bothered to give us at least the full $.02?

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by Omaha Sun on Feb 6, 2012 12:51 PM MST up reply actions  

A half a penny is worth more than a million dollars.

Just because Steve Nash has that "dirty hipster" look doesn't mean he's in need of a shower. Steve Nash bathes in the tears of his victims on a nightly basis.

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by NashMV3 on Feb 6, 2012 1:56 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

dammit where are my tin snips?

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by jc79 on Feb 6, 2012 5:26 PM MST up reply actions  

A note on Henson

Your review of John Henson is solid. However, I would add that Henson is the prototype of players that often become very successful in their NBA careers based on their progression during their college years [ala Tim Duncan].

You mention that Henson’s offense was raw and that should somehow push him down the list of potential draftees for the Suns. I would have to disagree with that portion of your assessment. Henson is actually a fairly polished scorer now. He consistently hits 15-17 foot face ups, 10-12 foot turn around jumpers going either way, and has a very reliable jump hook. He has also shown a consistent ability to use up and under moves along the baseline for scores. If you take into account the fact that UNC has two other scorers who take up a large percentage of shots for them, and the fact he still averages almost 15 ppg, you can clearly see that he has a very nicely developed offensive game. If Henson were on 95% of the other teams in the NCAA, he would more than likely average over 20 ppg and would be considered a very good offensive player.

Further, if you look at how he has progressed each season at UNC, you can see a guy with tremendous athleticism, length and talent, who also has worked very hard to develop a full array of skills on both ends of the floor. Unlike past “projects” like Ed Davis, Brandan Wright and even Marvin Williams, Henson stayed in school and has proven a history of improvement and development.

Henson’s two biggest issues are his weight/strength and his free throw shooting. At the NBA level, he will get hammered by post players who establish position on him. Additionally, he will find it difficult to establish position himself and will be relegated to being a face-up shooter if he cannot bang inside. However, these are the same issues that Anthony Davis will have, as he is virtually the same size as Henson.

While we all effuse delight over Anthony Davis, he actually has shown less of an ability on the offensive end than Henson. I would also contend that Henson is not far behind Davis on the defensive end. True, Davis is doing more as a freshman than Henson did his first year, but that may be a result of Kentucky having no players ahead of him in the rotation, while Henson had several players ahead of him that are now in the NBA.

I don’t argue that Davis is a player with more upside and may ultimately end up a far superior player than Henson. he will go #1. However, I would argue that Henson is pretty darn good and if you had the opportunity to pick him up in the 6-10 range, you are definitely going to be happy with his career performance. Don’t sleep on this guy. Just remember Larry Nance.

by hubertdavisfor3 on Feb 6, 2012 1:16 PM MST reply actions  

henson

is a mechanical stiff on offense. There are several power forwards clearly ahead of him so if you pick him at #6 that is a total joke. Davis, Drummond, Jones, Robinson, Sullinger all clearly ahead of Henson.

The note that Anthony Davis has shown less offensively than Henson is ridiculous.

Henson is shooting 44% from the freethrow line for gods sake.

Anthony Davis is better than Henson at just about everything. He is longer, younger and way way more skilled.

by TruthTelling on Feb 7, 2012 3:41 PM MST up reply actions  

davis

even more please

True, Davis is doing more as a freshman than Henson did his first year, but that may be a result of Kentucky having no players ahead of him in the rotation, while Henson had several players ahead of him that are now in the NBA.

Oh please come on now. Davis came in as the #1 rated highschooler, Henson? Not so much.

Davis is simply on another level, he is better as a freshman than Henson as a junior and it is not even close.
Anthony Davis can’t even show his full repertoire because Kentucky is a stacked offensive team. That is the only thing that limits Davis offensively. Henson is limited because he moves around like a stiff.

Who were those players ahead of Henson? Tyler Hansborough? You think Anthony Davis would not have started on any of those UNC teams? Really?

You mention that Henson’s offense was raw and that should somehow push him down the list of potential draftees for the Suns. I would have to disagree with that portion of your assessment. Henson is actually a fairly polished scorer now. He consistently hits 15-17 foot face ups, 10-12 foot turn around jumpers going either way, and has a very reliable jump hook. He has also shown a consistent ability to use up and under moves along the baseline for scores. If you take into account the fact that UNC has two other scorers who take up a large percentage of shots for them, and the fact he still averages almost 15 ppg, you can clearly see that he has a very nicely developed offensive game. If Henson were on 95% of the other teams in the NCAA, he would more than likely average over 20 ppg and would be considered a very good offensive player.

Henson would NEVER average 20ppg unless the team is terrible. He is getting 12 FGA per game already. Anthony Davis in comparison 8. Davis shoots 66%, Henson 52%. Perry Jones 11FGA, Moultrie 11FGA, Thomas Robinson 13FGA, Sullinger 11FGA.

Your argument is clearly wrong, Henson gets more shots than any other PF prospect in UNC offense other than Thomas Robinson.

Henson is CLEARLY the worst offensive player among those I just listed. He is also shooting the worst percentage from the field among all of the players mentioned.

You are also wrong on UNC 2 scorers taking away shots. Harrison Barnes is the only UNC player that has taken more shots than Henson 298 to 276. Third is Zeller with 232.

If we drafted John Henson in the lottery I will be beyond furious. His ceiling is about the same as Markieff. There is absolutely no reason to pick John Henson for us, none. He should get drafted between #15-25

by TruthTelling on Feb 7, 2012 3:59 PM MST up reply actions  

I agree with you here.

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by 7footer on Feb 7, 2012 4:56 PM MST up reply actions  

I like him more than you do,

but I agree I don’t want us drafting him.

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by Omaha Sun on Feb 7, 2012 7:16 PM MST up reply actions  

Yea henson anything more than a role player pf in the pros

And I agree davis doesnt showcase his scoring ability because his firsy role for KY is to play his amazing D. If he was asked to score you think his imposing frame couldn’t do it?
He does his job and well which is a bigggg plus for work ethic. A front court of Davis_morris_gortat!

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by phxpurple on Feb 17, 2012 1:11 AM MST via Android app up reply actions  

BTW, if the Suns can get MKG

That guy is going to be another Michael Finley if he ever develops a consistent jumper.

by hubertdavisfor3 on Feb 6, 2012 1:17 PM MST reply actions  

Great stuff Omaha

I don’t watch enough college ball so it’s interesting to read these breakdowns. I voted for SF but I agree with most people that we just need the best available.

BAMF goes HAM.

by brian13 on Feb 6, 2012 1:45 PM MST reply actions  

Great job Omaha!

Another rec from me.

I have very similar opinions to your own regarding many of the players you mentioned. My three favorite most realistic options for the Suns in the coming draft are Thomas Robinson, Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, and Harrison Barnes. The only one of your choices I don’t particularly agree with is Jeremy Lamb. He’s a good player, don’t get me wrong, but for some reason he reminds me of our own Josh Childress (who was also an early lottery pick himself), and we have enough trouble already learning how to use him efficiently. Lamb could be a very good choice for a lot of teams out there, I just don’t think he necessarily fits with the Suns very well.

The position I would address foremost in the lottery is power forward, since we need one badly and there doesn’t seem to be very many available in free agency. T-Rob is my favorite outside of Anthony Davis who will go #1 overall. I would shy away from Perry Jones…He’s just not aggressive enough for my taste.

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by 7footer on Feb 6, 2012 3:43 PM MST reply actions  

Yep.

Although the difference between Lamb and Chill is Lamb is a big-time shooter.

Like I said, I’d take either a PF or one of the 2 elite SFs in the top 5. In the 8-10 range, a wing might be a better value.

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by Omaha Sun on Feb 6, 2012 5:25 PM MST up reply actions  

Jeremy Lamb

is nothing like Josh Childress… he is a shooter in the NBA and moves well without the ball.

by TruthTelling on Feb 7, 2012 3:43 PM MST up reply actions  

Rivers

He wins but its close.
Thr personality difference is what seperates them. Rivers has the killer instinct. Im not sure what MKG is about for sure yet. They both should stay another year in college though.

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by phxpurple on Feb 17, 2012 1:14 AM MST via Android app up reply actions  

Why do you think MKG should stay?

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by Omaha Sun on Feb 17, 2012 11:08 AM MST up reply actions  

Hes young like he came into school still 17

While he has the physical talents im noy sure hes all there emotionally and mentally. Like someone said above he talks “slow”. Hes not retarded or anything like that hes just a 18 year old kid who went from being a college kid to a lottery draft prospect playing on the number 1 team in the nation. Id like to see his maturity and intangibles develop. Im not sure phoenix should take on raw players as we have shown to be poor in player development.
Earl clark
Griffin dude
Lopez
Dragic

Finally we drafted keef. An nba ready PF whose developement was mostly dependent on getting playing time an exp. He can alrwady shoot and post up and rebound. He just fouls to much(lack of pro exp)

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by phxpurple on Feb 18, 2012 2:36 AM MST via Android app up reply actions  

Very nice draft post Omaha, you’ve covered pretty much everything. I would consider small forward and shooting guard first, then look at power forward and pointguard.

I’ve managed to watch quite a few college games and have got a good look at all the guys mentioned above. Truthtelling,hubertdavisfor3 and yourself have been very impressive in your draft prospect analysis and i really enjoy reading your posts on the subject.

Everyone has their favorite potential suns prospects picked out. For me, i still really like jared sullinger and kendall marshall(even though i’d only consider aquiring marshall in a trade later on as we need to find a great athletic talent and scorer first with our lottery pick.) I haven’t ruled out sullinger despite his lack of athleticism because he’s a true power forward that is close to a twenty and ten guy every night.

Most importantly, he gets to the line alot(which we don’t do on a regular basis) and has a knack for getting opposing bigmen in foul trouble. I think sullinger is a vastly underrated prospect and would give the suns a classic power forward that can score inside in a number of ways.

Bradley beal would fill another very strong need at shooting guard. He’s not the biggest or most explosive athletically(he’s still got sneaky athleticism) but i can see the similiarities to allen and harden in the way he plays.He’s very cerebral and has a remarkable feel for the game.

I actually like either terrence jones or perry jones at the small forward position. They both have been putting up pretty impressive and consistent numbers lately for both kentucky and baylor. Jones still could use another season, but if he does come out this year, assuming we don’t do anything in free agency and re-sign both hill and nash, he would have the chance to learn alot from those two suns captains.

I’d like to see perry spend some time learning the small forward position more. He has all the athletic tools needed to be a terror at small forward(great end to end speed,tremendous length and athleticism, solid perimeter shot) he might find more immediate succes there instead of trying to match up with the bigger,stronger power forwards in the league his first year.

Terrence jones would be a stud in our offense. I don’t really see him following the same path as earl clark as a rookie. He’s already faced better competition at a higher level for the much more vocal calipari than earl did with Pitino’s cardinals.

Austin rivers is a deadly offensive weapon with amazing athleticism for a guard(he won’t showcase that in duke’s system though) he has improved to a degree after his benching. He has been looking to involve his teammates more and has shown that he can pass effectively when he has to.

Quincy miller is also a very nice talent, he seems to be more consistent than perry jones right now and has a very good perimeter game for a 6-9 player. He’s one of the most mature guys on the baylor squad.

If we’re looking for an explosive scorer and athlete at the pointguard position, why not look at this year’s norris cole? Weber state’s Damian lillard. He’s still the nations leading scorer and is an explosive leaper. He’s not nearly the playmaker machado is but he’s stronger and much more athletic than tu holloway whose a pretty good scoring pointguard himself.

Lillard could be aquired in the late first round or early second. Another guy i’ve mentioned before is vanderbilt’s Jeffrey taylor, i’ve seen him play three times this year and he always impresses me with his nba caliber athleticism and defense from the small-forward position. He’s a potential steal.

If anyone’s interested, tomorrow night on espn2 kentucky takes on florida. It’ll be a great oppurtunity to see alot of prospects the suns could choose from. Brad beal,kenny boynton,patric young,for the gators and marquis teague,mike gilchrest,terrence jones,doron lamb and anthony davis.

Ultimately, it would be best if we found a way to leave the 2012 draft with two of the exceptional talents mentioned above. Maybe a beal and henson? or rivers and robinson?

If we end up rolling snakeyes on the free agency gamble, we can still come away with a spectacular offseason provided we have a tremendous draft(for once!).

by jay humphries on Feb 6, 2012 9:27 PM MST reply actions  

Excellent input jay.

I was waiting for you to respond.

I really do like Sully, but I’m not sure he fits on this team. We are a P&R team, and while it’s nice to have a guy you can dump the ball down to int he post for an automatic 2 points, we don’t need one that spends all day down there. Al Jefferson would be a terrible fit for this team for example. I wouldn’t mind us drafting Sully, I just don;‘t think he’s an ideal fit and there may be similar or better prospects available that do fit better.

When I watched TJ as a freshman, I thought stretch PF. I don’t think SF is his best position at all. PJ3 might work out better there, but I’m wary of him right now. Jonathan Givony believes PJ3’s best position will be PF right now, and I wouldn’t necessarily disagree.

Like I said above, I forgot about Rivers. Perhaps that’s for the best, though, as I haven’t seen him recently and my opinion from early in the season might not be fair to the kid now.

I didn’t even discuss attempting to pick up an additional first rounder in this post considering how long it was already. I also only gave the briefest of mentions to the 2n round. Perhaps I’ll look into that around tourney time when we have a better idea of who’s likely to go where.

Lillard is a late teen to early 20 pick from what I’ve seen so far, probably the 2nd PG behind Marshall if the 2 frosh go back to school. Like you mentioned, we’d need another pick to get him and like I mentioned I didn’t talk about that here.

That UK-FLA game looks awesome. Maybe I can put it up on the computer while I’m copy-editing tomorrow.

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by Omaha Sun on Feb 6, 2012 10:29 PM MST up reply actions  

Al-J is also the player I've been comparing

Sullinger to. And that sounds like a horrible fit to me, as well.

I’d like to see us draft a perimeter player with the length and mobility to become an elite defender. If the guy can shoot, that would be nice as well.

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by jc79 on Feb 7, 2012 7:41 AM MST up reply actions  

I don't think Sully is anywhere near the black hole that Al-Jeff is, but the similar skill-sets are there.

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by Omaha Sun on Feb 7, 2012 8:57 AM MST up reply actions  

When a guy shoots a good % & doesn't turn the ball over recklessly

I don’t care if he’s a black hole on offense.

Jefferson however is an awful defender, and a complete no-show in transition on offense and defense. That’s why he sucks.

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by jc79 on Feb 7, 2012 4:39 PM MST up reply actions  

Sullinger

is a terrible fit for the Suns, if you want to continue marshmellow defense then go ahead and pick Sullinger at least he would add some post up options that we do not have right now but other than that he is short, average athlete, bad defender, does not block shots… His ceiling isn’t high enough for me wanting to put him infront of Markieff.Anthony Davis, Andre Drummond and Perry Jones are the only power forwards I would consider.

1. Davis
2. Drummond
3. Jones

Wings
Barnes
MKG
Bradley Beal
Austin Rivers
Quincy Miller
Tony Wroten
Jeremy Lamb
Terrence Jones

I am really no fan of Barnes (low ceiling) at all but thankfully he won’t be on the board anyway most likely.

by TruthTelling on Feb 7, 2012 3:48 PM MST reply actions  

I would love Drummond on this team. The guy is such a freak.

Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."

by rsavaj on Feb 8, 2012 6:06 PM MST reply actions  

Austin rivers

Now

"Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose"

by phxpurple on Feb 8, 2012 10:46 PM MST via Android app reply actions  

That was certainly impressive.

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by Omaha Sun on Feb 9, 2012 9:01 AM MST up reply actions  

I had my sights on Rivers a long time ago..

I wanted him when he was slotted at #10, I want us to trade for a pick to get him when he was projected at #20,

Rivers is one of the better shooters in college, has the best iso game of all guards in college, has probably the best first step and can also handle the ball and pass decent enough.

All the criticism he got is because he can be selfish at times and peope overstate that fact because Rivers comes across cocky, spoiled and arrogant but he can simply ball.

If we pick at #10 I would pick him without hesitation assuming that Davis, Drummond, Jones III, Barnes, Gilchrist, Beal, Robinson, Zeller, Sullinger go 1-9.

We would get to chose between Rivers, Lamb, T.Jones, Wroten and Quincy Miller. I would have no problem taking Rivers.

He measured 6’5 200lbs last year by the way. That is good enough size to be a true SG in the NBA. His game probably compares best to Monta Ellis but he is bigger and a better shooter.

by TruthTelling on Feb 9, 2012 10:45 AM MST reply actions  

You had me until "monte"

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by jc79 on Feb 9, 2012 1:30 PM MST up reply actions  

Austin Rivers?

Klay Thompson 2.0?

"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley

by Suns R Us on Feb 12, 2012 2:52 PM MST up reply actions  

I don't think so.

Rivers is much better off the bounce and seems to be able to finish in the paint better. I watched some Thompson highlights when he was mocked to PHX and I didn’t see his game translating to the NBA very well (his jumper yes, his off-the-dribble game not so much). I’m not sold on Rivers, but I don’t think he’ll be like Klay.

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by Omaha Sun on Feb 12, 2012 7:38 PM MST up reply actions  

Klay Thompson

will be a very solid starting sg eventually

by TruthTelling on Feb 15, 2012 11:10 AM MST up reply actions  

monta ellis

is a damn good player in the NBA despite being a mediocre shooter. Now imagine Monta Ellis with a very good jumpshot → deadly

by TruthTelling on Feb 9, 2012 1:49 PM MST reply actions  

The jump-shot isn't what hold Ellis back.

He’s actually improved that a ton. It’s his head that causes problems.

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by Omaha Sun on Feb 12, 2012 7:39 PM MST up reply actions  

I would say it's a matter of team formation

6 foot shooting guards make for a losing team, no matter how good they may be at scoring.

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by jc79 on Feb 14, 2012 4:43 PM MST up reply actions  

Rivers is

6’5 and not 6’

Monta Ellis is shooting 43%FG and 28%3s, he is a bad shooter.

by TruthTelling on Feb 15, 2012 11:11 AM MST up reply actions  

From what I hear that measurement was pretty generous

and he’s more like 6’3". But we were talking about Ellis.

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by jc79 on Feb 15, 2012 11:33 AM MST up reply actions  

it's endogenous isn't it?

Monta’s the first option and has to shoot volume. His percentages reflect that. If the team were better, he’d take less coverage and be able to make better shot selections.

He’s not why his team sucks. At least not the main reason.

I shoot blanks.

by ZonaFlash on Feb 15, 2012 11:47 PM MST up reply actions  

Yeah he is, but other end of the court

he can’t guard shooting guards, so his team can’t stop anyone from getting baskets in crunch time.

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by jc79 on Feb 16, 2012 10:13 AM MST up reply actions  

I doubt he shoots that much because he has to.

He just likes to shoot. A lot.

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by Omaha Sun on Feb 16, 2012 10:16 AM MST up reply actions  

Stats of some of the top players in the country against a very good Long Beach State team:

KU’s Thomas Robins: 26 pts, 11 reb
UNC’s Tyler Zeller: 17 pts, 9 reb
UNC’s John Henson: 24 points, 10 reb
UNC’s Harrison Barnes: 20 points, 3 reb, 2 ast

CU’s Doug McDermott (high school teammate of Barnes): 36 pts, 11 reb.

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