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Steve Nash, Greatest Phoenix Suns Player Ever

Who can forget this, as Nash only required one open eye in game 4 to help the Suns complete the sweep of the Spurs in 2010?

If you thought the Steve Nash lovefest was complete after Seth's story extolling Nash's virtuoso performance so far this season, and Wil's respect for Nash the philanthropist, you were mistaken. Those things are all great, and appropriate as we celebrate the man on his birthday, but let's get down to business here. Steve Nash has had a tremendous playing career in Phoenix, and my position is that he's the franchise's best player ever.

When he returned to Phoenix from Dallas, the Suns were a 29-53 team, with the 21st rated offense in the league. In his first season back, 2004-2005, the Suns won 62 games with the NBA's best offense, making the Western Conference Finals only to lose to the eventual league champion San Antonio Spurs. Another 60-win season, two 50-win seasons and two more conference finals appearances followed as Nash won league MVP twice.

As regular readers here know, I've been following the Suns since I was a child and the team featured Paul Westphal and Walter Davis. No offense intended to those who are only Suns fans due to Nash being on the team, but that is not me. I saw the MacLeod teams, the Cotton teams, the Westphal as coach teams. In short, I'm not throwing this "greatest ever" label around lightly.

Nash has earned it through consistently excellent production, steady and solid leadership, loyalty and international star quality. With all due respect to Kevin Johnson, Charles Barkley, Amare Stoudemire and Walter Davis, Nash is the gold standard among all Suns players, past and present.

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The criteria I'm using for this title is accumulated greatness. While Nash is the only Suns player to win two league MVP awards, I'd rate Charles Barkley's 1992-93 season as the greatest individual season by a Suns player. After joining the Suns, Barkley won an Olympic Gold Medal on the Dream Team, then made the all-star team, won league MVP and led the Suns to the 92-93 NBA Finals as he averaged 25.6 points, 12.2 rebounds and 5.1 assists per game that year. That was amazing, and also the most fun I've ever had as a Suns fan.

Barkley burned brighter, but he didn't burn as long in Phoenix. Players like Shawn Marion and Amare Stoudemire were spectacular in their own rights. Sadly, in the end, they chose not to be members of the team. Nash measures well in individual success, team success, longevity, loyalty and leadership. Among them all, he is the total package. Let's look at some numbers, courtesy of Basketball Reference:

Suns career achievements, ranking among NBA's best all-time

  • Two-time NBA MVP, finished second another season
  • Thrice 1st-team all-NBA, twice 2nd-team all-NBA
  • 5 all-star game appearances
  • 10th all-time in made 3-pointers
  • 8th all-time in 3-point %
  • 2nd all-time in FT%
  • 6 times led the league in assists
  • 11th all-time in true shooting % (accounts for 2-point, 3-point and FT shooting)
  • One of only five players in "50-40-90 Club". Only Nash and Larry Bird have achieved 50% FG shooting, 40% 3-point shooting and 90% FT shooting in more than one season.

I used only Nash's 9+ seasons in Phoenix for the annual honors (all-star games, etc.) but his entire career for his total career achievements. It's easy to see that he is the best passing point guard of his era and one of the best of all-time. A strong argument can also be made that Nash is the greatest shooter of all-time. He's certainly at least in the conversation.

When looking at Suns career leaders, it can be tricky because you have sheer volume stats (games played, total FGs made) and then you have stats like win shares/48 minutes which reward a player such as Charles Barkley, who had a spectacular but relatively short (four seasons) career in Phoenix.

There are cases to be made for several other former Suns players for the "best ever" label, Barkley among them, but also more contemporary players like Amare Stoudemire and Shawn Marion, all-time franchise leading scorer Walter Davis, and Kevin Johnson.

Here's how Nash rates among Suns' franchise leaders:

  • 1st in offensive rating
  • 2nd in total offensive win shares (KJ is 1st, but Nash will pass him soon)
  • 3rd in total win shares (Shawn Marion is 1st, KJ is 2nd)
  • 5th in win shares/48 minutes (behind Barkley, Stoudemire, KJ and Marion)
  • 3rd in effective FG %, which takes 3 point shots counting for 3 points into account. The only players ahead of Nash here are Mark West and Shaquille O'Neal, both of whom scored nearly all of their points around the basket.
  • 1st in made 3-pointers
  • 1st in 3-point %
  • 5th in Player Efficiency Rating, PER (behind Barkley, Stoudemire, Westphal and KJ)
  • 1st in total assists
  • 3rd in assists per game (narrowly behind Jason Kidd and KJ)
  • 7th in total points scored (Walter Davis is far ahead of him here, but Davis was known as a pure scorer. He's also the franchise leader in field goal attempts while Nash is only 6th.

What we see here again is that Nash is an elite shooter and passer, but doesn't stack up to the rest as a pure scorer or defender. I'm going to look at this as a process of elimination. I simply cannot call Barkley the greatest player in franchise history when he played only four seasons before forcing his way out of town, as fantastic as he was during those seasons.

Marion and Stoudemire also left Phoenix under less-than ideal circumstances and burned some bridges on the way out. Additionally I would say, of those three players, Nash is the one whose production continues at closer to the same rate than the other two since they've parted ways. I will confidently say Nash is the best player of those three.

Walter Davis was phenomenal, but if I'm including leadership and loyalty, Davis' exit from the Suns in the disgrace of a drug scandal earns him a major demerit.

This leaves me with Kevin Johnson vs. Steve Nash. I can't find much negative to say about Kevin Johnson, but if there is one criticism it's that he had injury problems during the middle to late part of his career, and those compromised his production and consistency. I loved KJ as a player, and he stacks up the closest to Nash in all areas.

Still, I give the edge to Nash. KJ wasn't as consistently dominant throughout his career, making only three all-star games and finishing no higher than 7th in MVP voting. In his second stint in Phoenix, Nash has been one of the league's best point guards every season, even with a revolving cast around him. Now, at age 38, he remains the best passing point guard in the NBA. Phenomenal.

So, there we have it: Steve Nash, elite shooter, elite passer, elite team leader, 2-time MVP,

Greatest Phoenix Suns Player Ever

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Poll
Who is the best Phoenix Suns player of all-time?
Steve Nash
346 votes
Charles Barkley
34 votes
Kevin Johnson
23 votes
Walter Davis
4 votes
Amare Stoudemire
3 votes

410 votes | Poll has closed

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Steve has my vote

He stacks up there in every single category outside of pure scoring and defending. He has been here for a long time and has taken this franchise to great heights. He is one of the best PGs in the history of the game and is IMO the best Suns player ever.

"If Gortat pulls off a real Dream Shake in-game this year I will shave my head.
Mark my words." Piotr Szczesniak 12/12/11 2:12 PM
Cardinals, Suns, D-backs for life!

by Airwave on Feb 7, 2012 3:02 PM MST reply actions  

Hmmmm

I’d have to go with :

Walter Davis
Connie Hawkins
Steve Nash
KJ

in that order. People forget sometimes how great some past players were.

by 41YearsandCounting on Feb 7, 2012 3:08 PM MST reply actions  

I voted for the round mound
I’d rate Charles Barkley’s 1992-93 season as the greatest individual season by a Suns player.

because I agreed with this.

Then I saw that you were stacking the deck

The criteria I’m using for this title is accumulated greatness.

for Steve’s birthday….

I would say that Nash is the greatest Suns player ever, but Barkley was the greatest player ever on the Suns.

Nash has longevity and character working in his favor, while the Chuckster was inimitable in terms of on court performance.

Overall (by your methods of comparison), I still think it is close. As great as the SSOL era was, it doesn’t match up to the Barkley era for me. I have never seen the city of Phoenix react to another team the way they did to that 92-93 Suns squad. It was electric. I’m experiencing horripilation reminiscing about it as I type this.

I have never had another experience related to sports that matched the fervor and passion of that season. Some people may think that isn’t much to boast about, but I’m sure there are others who empathize.

It was only called the mildly irritated house on McDowell until I showed up.

by Jim Coughenour on Feb 7, 2012 3:10 PM MST reply actions  

I can't give it to Charles

Just because he left the Suns to chase a ring after only 4 seasons.

"If Gortat pulls off a real Dream Shake in-game this year I will shave my head.
Mark my words." Piotr Szczesniak 12/12/11 2:12 PM
Cardinals, Suns, D-backs for life!

by Airwave on Feb 7, 2012 3:16 PM MST up reply actions  

And to, of all teams, the Rockets!

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by East Bay Ray on Feb 7, 2012 3:21 PM MST up reply actions  

At least he didn't get his desire?

Even though I think I would have been happy for him to win a ring. But yeah, as long as we are speaking of a greatest player for a franchise I always take longevity into account because you can always abandon ship and try to get a ring somewhere else but that decreases their legacy for their former team. Steve not only has the numbers but he has stuck through it all and has done a good job making the team competitive.

"If Gortat pulls off a real Dream Shake in-game this year I will shave my head.
Mark my words." Piotr Szczesniak 12/12/11 2:12 PM
Cardinals, Suns, D-backs for life!

by Airwave on Feb 7, 2012 3:26 PM MST up reply actions  

If you can't beat them, join them?

It was only called the mildly irritated house on McDowell until I showed up.

by Jim Coughenour on Feb 7, 2012 3:54 PM MST up reply actions  

I share your feelings about the 92-93 team

I was working retail then, so was out in the public during that season and the playoffs, and it was magical. Everybody was into it, it seemed. All age groups, men and women. Damn, it was fun. That team had FOUR future Ring of Honor inductees on it! KJ, Barkley, Majerle and Chambers. Ah, those were the days, when we had more than one great player at a time.

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by East Bay Ray on Feb 7, 2012 3:25 PM MST up reply actions  

I was only 2 years old hahahaha

Wish I could have seen what the town was like.

"If Gortat pulls off a real Dream Shake in-game this year I will shave my head.
Mark my words." Piotr Szczesniak 12/12/11 2:12 PM
Cardinals, Suns, D-backs for life!

by Airwave on Feb 7, 2012 3:26 PM MST up reply actions  

That was my first year of life.

Can’t remember too much from that time period.

Go Suns, Packers, Jays, and Huskers!

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by Omaha Sun on Feb 8, 2012 10:40 PM MST up reply actions  

Those were the days...
KJ, Barkley, Majerle and Chambers. Ah, those were the days, when we had more than one great player at a time.

Nash, Amare, Matrix, and JJ. Ah, those were the days, when we had more than one great player at a time.

Looks like we’re only about 4 years away from another dynasty…

It was only called the mildly irritated house on McDowell until I showed up.

by Jim Coughenour on Feb 7, 2012 3:53 PM MST up reply actions  

I was thinking the same thing

That 04-05 team was the youngest in the NBA too.

Don't trade Dudley!

by Beavis 25 on Feb 7, 2012 7:19 PM MST up reply actions  

We all know it's Steve Nash

But who is the Worst Sun ever?

The Barron? Sir Robin the not quite so brave as Sir Nashalot? OR is it the mighty Taylor Griffen, beloved by none except for Scott Howard?

Who is the the most disappointing/frustrating Sun?

Vince Carter, halfman/half something? How about Doris Meow? Jacobie Sockalidas? Stephon cancerberries?

Anyway, it’s Steve Nash, but his margin of victory isn’t that great. I can’t put Kevin Johnson in 2nd because Barkley was the leader of those teams. In fact, Charles Barkley not only had the best individual season ever, but led the greatest Suns team ever. The 06-07, 09-10, 04-05 and 89-90 teams would follow after. Charles also got his team to the Finals. Nash is the only MVP to not take his team to the Finals.

Don't trade Dudley!

by Beavis 25 on Feb 7, 2012 3:28 PM MST reply actions  

Doh!
Nash is the only MVP to not take his team to the Finals.

Which would also make him the only 2 time MVP to accomplish the dubious feat…

This is part of the reason why I’m not really too worried about finding the point guard of the future. I’d rather have an elite starter at any other position.

Teams whose best players are point guards haven’t fared well in terms of championships over the past 20+ years….

It was only called the mildly irritated house on McDowell until I showed up.

by Jim Coughenour on Feb 7, 2012 3:44 PM MST up reply actions  

So true

Magic Johnson had two all-timers next to him and he was 6’8, so all was well for him.

Don't trade Dudley!

by Beavis 25 on Feb 7, 2012 7:21 PM MST up reply actions  

IMO:
1a- Nash
1b- Barkley
2 – Hawkins
3 – Davis
4 – KJ
5 – Westphal
6 – TC
7 – Alvan Adams

2-6 could easily be 2a, 2b etc

Alvan was never really dominant but still deserves to be in my top 7 and I’m guessing in 10 years Amare and Marion will get a lot more respect for what they did in PHX.

by BritishSun on Feb 7, 2012 3:35 PM MST reply actions  

absolutely rec'd

because this is my story as well. I was 20 and in San Antonio, surrounded by Spurs fans, and I somehow found the light.

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by PHXgp on Feb 7, 2012 3:56 PM MST up reply actions  

Well said, Nashty.

I, too, am a Suns fan, and a basketball fan, because of Steve. That’s not to say I won’t stay a fan of the Suns when Steve leaves, but right now, I’m savoring the minutes I get to spend with him like I would savor a great meal. I’m just hoping there’s a few more portions left in the kitchen.
Nash made me a basketball fan. And while others have more talent, size, athleticism, and ego, he will always be my favorite. As far as I’m concerned, I hope the “free Nash” movement lasts ten more years.

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"In the long run the pessimist may be proved right, but the optimist has a better time on the trip."

by haremoor on Feb 7, 2012 3:57 PM MST up reply actions  

I am not a Suns fan because of Steve

But I am a much bigger fan of basketball because of what he has done on the Suns. It is such a privilege to able to watch him lace up and play ball.

"If Gortat pulls off a real Dream Shake in-game this year I will shave my head.
Mark my words." Piotr Szczesniak 12/12/11 2:12 PM
Cardinals, Suns, D-backs for life!

by Airwave on Feb 7, 2012 4:30 PM MST up reply actions  

Great post Ray!

I too was a Suns’ fan before the Nash Era…I solidified my fan hood during the KJ, Chambers, Majerle era…and when Barkley came that was the icing on the cake!

I was a huge Barkley fan as a kid even before he came to Phoenix, and he quickly became my favorite player once he joined the Suns and brought that toughness we so desperately needed.

That said, I have no problem saying Nash is the best player to ever wear a Suns’ uniform…at least in my opinion. What Nash does for this team and how he continues to play at such a high level year after year is nothing short of amazing. He’s a two-time MVP and one of the best point guards to ever play the game. He routinely leads the league in assists and continues to do so even without much talent around him at the age of 38 years old. It’s incredible!!!

Here’s to Nash and all that he has accomplished in Phoenix…and here’s hoping we get to continue watching him play here for years to come!

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by 7footer on Feb 7, 2012 3:55 PM MST via mobile reply actions  

If Nash wasn't on the list, I would've voted for Mark West
•3rd in effective FG %, which takes 3 point shots counting for 3 points into account. The only players ahead of Nash here are Mark West and Shaquille O’Neal, both of whom scored nearly all of their point around the basket.

Free Steve Nash!

by JSun on Feb 7, 2012 4:02 PM MST reply actions  

Actually, KJ was my second choice

Until the Suns teams of the 00s, KJ’s teams were the best (before pre-Barkley, during Barkley and post-Barkley) of any stretch. Yeah, post-Barkley wasn’t so great for KJ, but it was good enough for Suns’ fans. I also enjoyed his return from retirement.

Free Steve Nash!

by JSun on Feb 7, 2012 4:05 PM MST reply actions  

I voted for KJ

Go to youtube and type in “KJ over Olajuwon” to see why.

Voted most likely to say "I told you so"

by jc79 on Feb 7, 2012 4:33 PM MST reply actions  

...that's the reason why I became a Suns fan

…and I live here in the Philippines.

...Suns fan 4 Life!

by nashran3 on Feb 8, 2012 12:11 AM MST up reply actions  

I couldn't vote for KJ or Barkley

KJ, because he was always injured and Barkley because of how he left. Barkley pulled the same thing on the Suns that he pulled on Philly, except it was worse because he went to the Rockets team that the Suns choked against. I’m glad he never got a ring. Just like I’m glad Malone didn’t get one being a tagalong on the Lakers that beat his Jazz plenty of times.

Barkley’s MVP was debatable just like Nash’s MVPs were debatable. Since Nash has two I have to go with Nash. Also Nash has done things that I’ve never another player do. Barkley had good hops for a fat guy.

Connie Hawkins is the top 5 and only gets demoted because he had to start his career so late. Walter Davis was an amazing scorer, but I feel like you can’t be the greatest ever for a team if your team was sucking for most of your career and you were coerced into ratting on your teammates for using coke.

by oLLiE Boombayay on Feb 7, 2012 6:04 PM MST reply actions  

Kevin Johnson saved the Suns franchise

the Suns were for all intents and purposes dead following the drug scandal. The Suns traded Nance for him, Mark West and Ty Corbin. The Suns instantly became a perennial winning team with him at the helm. Kevin Johnson is the greatest Sun.

Honorable mention goes to:
Dick Van Arsdale
Paul Westphal
Connie Hawkins
Tom Chambers
Steve Nash

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by NASCARbernet on Feb 7, 2012 6:29 PM MST reply actions  

Tough call

KJ was my first favorite player, I was 6 years old when they went to the Finals, and still have my Johnson – 7 jersey hanging on my wall. That said, I had to vote for Nash. He has just been so good, for so long, and put up such amazing stats while at the same time showing a loyalty to the organization and city that just isn’t seen in professional sports. Suns fans are pretty blessed to have spent the last 25 years watching Kevin Johnson then Jason Kidd then Steve Nash running the team (we’re going to pretend those Marbury years didn’t happen, okay?)

by wedge1039 on Feb 7, 2012 8:47 PM MST reply actions  

Marbury was a good stop gap PG

I didn’t mind him too much. 02-03 was a nice season.

Don't trade Dudley!

by Beavis 25 on Feb 7, 2012 8:55 PM MST up reply actions  

I guess that bank shot against the Spurs in the playoffs did make up for a lot of other stuff…

by wedge1039 on Feb 7, 2012 9:14 PM MST up reply actions  

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