Nash Running Less of the Show
I have been talking all season about how this year's Suns have been working to make the offense less dependent on Nash.
We saw it early in the year with more plays going through Hill and Diaw and now with Shaq we are seeing the offense flow through him more too.
I decided to re-watch the 1st and 4th Qtrs of the Houston game and chart the offensive possessions and see how this really looked:
1st Qtr: Nash played the first 9 min and there were 14 half court set possessions. Steve ran the offense on only 6 of those. 4 times the ball went through Shaq in the post almost always feed by Hill. Twice Diaw was the man in the post after Shaq went out. And once LB created a look for himself and on another Hill ran the show feeding Amare.
4th Qtr: Nash played the final 8:07 and when he came back in the game was still close enough to matter. This time the story was different. There were again 14 possessions but Nash lead the way on 12 of those with one each going to Diaw and Shaq. Of those 12, 5 were classic top of the key pick and rolls with Amare. Nash also had two bad turnovers during this stretch. Once he dribbled off his foot and the other was a bad pass to Shaq in traffic.
And what about when Nash was out? In those 7 minutes at the end of the 1st qtr and beginning of the 4th we saw a total of 11 half court possessions. 5 times the ball went through Shaq in the post. 2 times LB ran a nice two man game w/ Diaw. And then 2 times each for Diaw and Gordan.
So, what's all this mean?
- Nash isn't working as hard early in the game
- The Suns are figuring out how to use Shaq and feed him the ball in good position using the taller wing players like Hill, Diaw and Giricek to make the entry pass
- With Nash off the floor they have many more options then in past years
- At the end when the game needed to be closed, Nash and Amare did their thing like always
Update [2008-3-24 10:44:34 by srp]:
I did re-watch the 2nd qtr. Amare got a lot of touches. On five occassions he either came off a screen and created or simply got the ball in isolation. He finished 3 of those and was fouled on the other two and hit all 4 FT's of course. So 10 of his 18 points in the quarter were unassisted. I did see LB and Amare run a pick and roll early in the quarter which was nice since we usually don't see LB do that. They seemed to be experimenting once they had the big lead.
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Nice analysis, srp!
You went all Charley Rosen for us. Your hours are sincerely appreciated. I would have not known the current offensive mix if not for this.
It the big wing feeds to Shaq that must be generating the non-Nash assists. Fewer high P'N'R mean fewer Nash assists. Just wish the TOs would also drop.
The danger of generalizing...
I think I've mentioned before that I thought Nash was at his best when paired with another passer, the Nash/Van Exel backcourt in Dallas being the prime example. That's what's happening here with Grant and Shaq. What was good about the Houston game was seeing Grant getting 10 assists, and I bet the happiest guy to see that was Steve.
What this all means is that when it's working, the Suns now have a fully functioning 3 phase offense, where in addition to the post and backcourt game, Grant now provides them with the option to initiate the offense from the 3. This is something we had in the Amare-less season, but only happened sporadically last year with Boris.
The Suns should be able to respond efficiently to whatever the opposing team gives them in terms of offensive opportunities, which I think has been the case in the last few games, while still continuing to impose their will. If we can eliminate the turnovers, well, then the sky's the limit.
by Pliny the Elder on Mar 24, 2008 2:27 AM MDT reply actions
I agree about generalizing
This was interesting b/c it was a trend I had been seeing all year and just had the time this weekend to explore in more detail.
But you're absolutely right. I had also thought that Houston was a good match up for us to go inside early.
I remember after the trade I was feeling like I was watching a team that I didn't recognize. Now, as things come together you can also start to see paterns of play develop and personally it feel more comfortable and familiar even though it is now different w/ Shaq.
Btw - Hill had 5 of his 10 assists in the first quarter. I know only one - on the first play actually - went to Amare. The rest were simply entry passes to Shaq that he finished. That's a case were the stat doesn't really do justice to the play. On those it was Shaq working to get inside position and also using Amare screens to cut across the lane to get deep for that pass from Hill.
by Seth Pollack on Mar 24, 2008 8:41 AM MDT up reply actions
Who needs Nash to run the show...
According to Paul Coro's latest, he's made 21 of 31 during the win streak. I didn't believe it, so I looked it up.
vs. SA: 2-2
vs. Memphis: 0-2
vs. GSW: 4-6
vs. SAC: 3-4
vs. Portland: 4-8
vs. Seattle: 5-6
vs. Rockets: 3-3
Yep, that would be 21-31. That's sick!
i think i remember in an interview

Nothing in this Verse can stop us!
of course.
by Pliny the Elder on Mar 24, 2008 11:07 AM MDT up reply actions
What's most cool about those numbers above...
Point guards
My argument against Jason Kidd
As for playmaking abilities, Steve is clearly better than Jason, and I offer the following two points to make my case:
i) Nash is probably the greatest offhand passer ever, and while that doesn't matter for 95% of the game, in difficult situations it gives you an option you wouldn't have otherwise had.
ii) Nash is also the greatest exponent of the "Gretsky assist" of all time, which is what makes him, imho, the best player on the planet still. It's a subtle argument, granted, but it belies a greater court vision and sense of how the game is unfolding. But it's something neither Kidd, Kobe nor LeBron can do, and Chris Paul is just now learning how to do it.
by Pliny the Elder on Mar 24, 2008 11:57 AM MDT up reply actions
also
game vs the spurs (I think), biggest balls I've ever seen, awesome! I really think Amare is on the very edge of greatness, in fact, he's already kid of there, he just needs to keep showing it, tonight would go a long way if he dominated. But, of course he's up against R.Wallace, who does a really good job on Amare as I remember, should be fun!

Nothing in this Verse can stop us!
yep
If we see the 30-40 points / 13-17 rebound (not miss too much time with too many fouls) Amare tonight, I feel pretty good about our chances. Nice to know Bell might be back, or will be soon.

Nothing in this Verse can stop us!
Off-topic, but
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/dailydime?page=dime-080324
Really!?!?
He's a little eggy
Not great inter-personal leadership skills IMO.
But jeez. Look at the roster he walked into. They cut his balls off in Feb too.
Still, you don't get credit for rolling over. Just ask hands-tied GM Larry Harris.
Not sarcasm
thats tough on Marc
are clearing out any big contracts and starting over. Tough to impossible situation of Marc to be in.
too bad, we'll take him back

Nothing in this Verse can stop us!
I put this on BallHype
by Ben Q Rock on Mar 24, 2008 10:43 AM MDT reply actions
caught a big break there, cool
thx for update

Nothing in this Verse can stop us!
Raja and his ankle
Nash
Kidd was far and away the best player on the team virtually every night during his run with the Suns, while Nash has had frequent competition for that label with Amare, and occasionally even Marion. On the rare (hah!) night when Kidd had his jumper going, his teams were very tough to beat. His vision/passing is right up there with Nash's, and his ability to get his own board and start the break put a lot of pressure on the other team. Throw in his 1st-team level defense (back in his prime, anyway) and he was enough to get those mediocre New Jersey teams into the finals twice. Imagine if McDyess had stuck around, or if Googs hadn't blown out his knee, or if he had been able to throw lobs to Amare?
As for Starbury, yee gods, what a waste of talent, we all owe Isaiah a huge debt of gratitude for taking him off our hands!
Does Kidd make teammates better?
Blame it on Denver
Taking Steve Nash for granted
It's easy to have big man-love for Amare and Matrix based on stats, but in both cases neither player is capable of triggering his own offense. It's only recently, imho, since the Shaq trade, that Amare has been able to tell the difference between stunt basketball and real basketball, and figured out which one is most important.
But Steve Nash is capable of dominating a game without scoring a single point or making a single assist, simply by facilitating the ability of other players to do those things. I don't think there's any other player in the game today about whom one could make the same claim.
by Pliny the Elder on Mar 24, 2008 1:34 PM MDT up reply actions
Absolutely!
Now, Nash can hang back a bit more early in the game and provide spot up shooting and then as we saw in the Houston game turn it on in the fourth as needed.
I think this is a very good development for the Suns overall. There were certainly games in past playoff's where Nash was getting worn down early. Now mentally and physically he can save himself for real clutch time where he is money.
by Seth Pollack on Mar 24, 2008 1:49 PM MDT up reply actions
Another view
Taking Nash for granted?
Don't get me wrong, I much prefer the "Nash era" to the "Kidd era," not only because of the deep playoff runs, but for the overall aesthetic improvement of the regular season. This is to say nothing of Nash's off-court exploits compared to Kidd's--J Kidd has been dogged by domestic drama at every stop, and now has been traded 3 times because his personal toxicity has led his franchises to conclude they were better off without him.
yes we do take him for granted.
The Italians have a word, sprezzatura, which means the art of making something difficult look easy, and that applies to Steve. When I watch a game I see him do so many amazing skillful things in a way as to seem mundane, without any kind of flash (the Gretzky assist being the most obvious example), that after a while you kind of stop noticing it.
If you asked most people who they thought the best player in the league is, you'd get a list of answers that included Kobe and LeBron. But if you asked those same people to truly justify their choice, you'd get a bunch of cliches (great scorer, good defender, clutch shooter, makes teammates better, etc...), but no actual substantiative answer.
To truly appreciate Steves game, one has to stop thinking in terms of dunks, and flashy play, and think about flow and the way the ball moves across the floor, how Steve improvises in response to what the opposition offers, and how he uses his teammates as an extension of himself. If you watch other pass-first point guards, such as Chris Paul and Deron Williams, you can see them trying to master this aspect of the game.
What has changed with the arrival of Shaq, is the extended passing options from the post, and the 3, so that instead of directing the offense completely, Steve is now able to play off his teammates and respond to them a lot more.
by Pliny the Elder on Mar 24, 2008 2:56 PM MDT up reply actions
Amare
While we're talking about Nash's shooting prowess
Check out Nash's shooting. His "hot zone" is just about every where but three places (and he's "gray" on those). Absolutely no cold spots whatsoever. In home games, he doesn't even have any gray spots. Yes, this guy should be shooting more.
Steve's shooting
The Atlanta pick is the key. We need to get someone who can complement both players, either a Wes Unseld type post monster like Kevin Love, or a SF/SG type that can defend like Richard Hamilton.
Talented!
by Fayhis556 on Mar 25, 2008 3:05 AM MDT reply actions
Nash is still the one
Thanks again for all your comments.
By nash4ever in CA
Defending Nash
Believe it or not, I share your sadness that it's changing, even though I know the Suns are a better team now that they're more big-man oriented, and less dependent on their point guard (and that Nash himself is probably ecstatic about it). In fact, I said as much in a Q&A with Steve Weinman at CelticsBlog last night. The "new" Suns to me are a little like a movie that I can recognize as great, and all my friends love it, but for some inexplicable reason, I just can't seem to love it myself. But this new "movie" starring Amare and Shaq is more likely to win the NBA equivalent of an Oscar than it was before, and that's what it's supposed to be about.
Bill Russell once said..
To me, Steve Nash epitomizes that first approach to basketball, whereas players like Kobe embody the notion of a Horatius like heroic figure, holding off the Etruscans at the bridge.
by Pliny the Elder on Mar 25, 2008 11:43 PM MDT reply actions
To thine own self be true
I guess that means Augustus (Octavius) is Chris Paul, huh?
Kobe is the Elephant Man...
But in the end, Hannibal was defeated. Carthage was razed and destroyed, and its ground salted by the Romans so nothing would ever grow there again.
After we beat the Lakers in the playoffs, it would be cool to dig a hole in the parking lot at Staples and fill it with salt, as a symbolic gesture.
by Pliny the Elder on Mar 26, 2008 10:45 AM MDT up reply actions

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