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View from the Homefront Part 1: Suns Soar Over Knicks 113-102

With a nod to Dan Hilton and his By the Numbers feature on Suns.com (and at the obvious risk of jinxing myself and the Suns for Thursday), I'd like to note that the Suns are now 3-0 in the games I have watched at the US Airways arena dating back to 2005. This includes getting to see the Suns' first home win of the season in 2005-06, as well as the game against Memphis last season when the Suns came into it 1-5. However, my theory that the Suns don't start to turn it around until I show up for my annual game(s) in Phoenix has been blown out of the water this season. With a 6-2 record that remains on pace with the 2004-05 team, it looks like the Suns didn't need my help to get on track this time.

The Suns were in full throttle mode tonight, picking up where they left off against Orlando on Saturday. Four Suns scored in double-figures, and when I said the Suns "soared" in my title, I was referring mostly to Amare Stoudemire, who soared, dunked, shot, rebounded, and even defended his way into a 26-point, 12-rebound night with four blocks to go with it. Another thing I noticed about Amare's play that hasn't always been obvious before: He seemed to be going out of his way to make the right decision with the ball instead of automatically thinking "score". Most of the time, he ended up taking the shot anyway, but it was nice to see him look for his teammates on a few occasions before doing so. Grant Hill also had an impressive night. After seeing him play in person for the first time ever, I would say that he seems to be a better defender than advertised. He was also on fire from the three-point line tonight, making three of four and looking far more comfortable behind the arc than he has in previous games I have seen this season. Shawn Marion and Leandro Barbosa finished out the 20+ point quartet, each scoring 23. Boris Diaw didn't have the greatest line in the boxscore tonight, but it wasn't for lack of being aggressive this time. He tried, but the shots just weren't falling. As for Steve Nash, this was one of those nights where the Suns didn't need him to score, so he concentrated on setting up his teammates. In the end, the Suns were clearly the better team by a mile in this game. They outdid the short-handed Knicks in every hustle category including rebounds, steals, and blocks. The final score is much closer than the game really was.

A few quick notes:

  • There was an unexpected Eric Piatkowski sighting tonight. He scored on a three-pointer, but beyond that didn't seem to affect the game one way or the other.
  • Sadly, there was not a D.J. Strawberry sighting. A tad disappointing, given that the Suns led by 21 at one point late in the game.
  • I never realized how short Isiah Thomas is before compared to his players. They towered over him, even when he seemed to be dressing them down.
  • Amare Stoudemire looked absolutely giddy every time he went to the scorers table to enter the game. It is very obvious that he loves to play.
  • Shawn Marion was wearing a smile throughout the game as well. If he harbors resentment to still being in a Suns uniform, he doesn't appear to be letting it affect his game or his demeanor on the court
  • I think the rowdy fans JSun mentioned in his recap of the Laker's game have switched allegiances and moved down to the fifth row. There were a couple of Knick fans a few rows down from me that gave new meaning to the words "obnoxious" and "rude". One of them practically shoved three Suns fans out of the way to grab one of the Sol Patrol's basketballs that they threw into the stands after their performance. In fact, I think he even snatched it out of somebody's hand if I recall correctly. He and his buddies spent the entire game heckling, and generally behaving badly. Somehow they managed to avoid getting kicked out, and even snagged a free T-Shirt to boot. At least they had to watch their team get run out of the building by the Suns.
  • Why did Mike D'Antoni still have Steve Nash and other starters in the game in the fourth quarter with the Suns leading by more than 20? Maybe it was so fans would not be deprived of at least a couple really awesome plays involving Nash passes to soaring teammates. It kind of made up for not getting to see D.J. play.
  • Lastly, a special shout-out goes to Hotel San Carlos for allowing me to borrow their business center to reprint my ticket that (for the first time ever) I left in my hotel room back in Tempe. Major gratitude for awesome customer service that saved my dinner plans, and maybe even my attendance at the game itself.
Player of the Game: Amare Stoudemire (see above).

Runner-Up: I would normally give this to the best player on the losing team, but I'm going with Grant Hill. He deserves a mention tonight.

Grading the Game: A- (The minus is for not getting to see my favorite Suns rookie take the floor).

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hey texsun
Glad you got to go to the game! Nice to hear about Amare and Hill! I have to disagree with the excuse you made for Nash being in the game in the fourth. It's the coach, he just doesn't get it (in my view),
he's gambling with possible injury by keeping them in there so much and hurting our development of the rest of the team. Players get better by playing, not too hard to figure out.

6-2, alright!!

by jasonsuns1 on Nov 14, 2007 1:19 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

Tongue-in-cheek
I really need to work on my tongue-in-cheekness I guess. I just meant that the silver lining to Nash, etc. still being in the game was that fans got to see a couple of awesome plays that otherwise wouldn't have happened. (And since the Knicks did get within 11 to close the game, I guess Mike D'Antoni can always argue that the game was never in hand to begin with, although it certainly seemed to be from my vantage point).

by TexSUN on Nov 14, 2007 1:42 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

minutes
nash - 34
hill - 37(!)
barbosa - 43(!!!)

I don't understand...

but I guess if this is the worst thing we have to nitpick...that's not too bad?  

still worries me too though.

by kidjay on Nov 14, 2007 4:44 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Dead Crowd?
Hey TexSUN-
I was just wondering what you thought about D'Antoni's comment about the crowd. I saw this quote in the recap, "We should have played harder, and the crowd's worse than we are. I mean, they're deader than we are." Do you agree with him on that?

by mazzou on Nov 14, 2007 6:42 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

Crowd
From where I was sitting, the crowd was definitely quieter than it typically is in other arenas I have visited. However, I remember noticing the same thing the previous two years as well. I never knew if that was "normal" for the USAC, or if it was just because the Suns' slow start in those two seasons had left fans subdued. As for last night, the lady to my right didn't say much of anything the entire game, and limited her cheering to the occasional hand clap. The lady to my left seemed more concerned with hooking up with her friends after the game (on the cell phone a lot) than with watching the team play. However, in her defense, she did jump up and cheer when the Suns made good plays on both ends of the floor. Overall, it seemed pretty quiet, but like I said, I thought that the previous two years too.

by TexSUN on Nov 14, 2007 10:12 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

like i said...
on the other post things sure are different with Suns fans.  I really think it's a combination of a vast population of snowbirds (people from colder climates like Chicago) and the fact that Suns fans dont truly get into it until the season really starts to matter (around All Star time) or when a rival or threat team comes to town (ie Dallas or the accursed Spurs).

Hopefully the fans will respond to coach D calling them out.  God know's i'd be a friggen wild man in the stands if I could make it to a game.  

"Ultimate excellence lies not in winning every battle, but in defeating your enemy without ever fighting." Sun Tzu

by Turambar on Nov 14, 2007 11:34 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

What a strange game
Maybe it was the atmosphere (and I'll admit to dozing off on the couch a bit), but it seemed like the Suns hardly broke into a sweat, and though never at risk of losing the game, they never could quite get it into a "blowout" type of game which would've given DJ and others a chance to play.

Surprised as anybody else to see Piatkowski play so many minutes. What does that say about Banks's status. Yikes.

Yay to Grant Hill's 3-for-4 from 3-point range!

BTW, has anybody else been watching Grant and his mom on Family Feud this week? I'm not ashamed to admit I've been watching it. He answered "Phoenix" to the survey question "which American city has the friendliest people?". But it wasn't there! LA (!) and NY (?!) were the top 2 answers. Ha.

by SueB on Nov 14, 2007 8:04 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

saw clip..
but haven't had the time to watch full show. You know it's a bunch of b.s. when the top 2 answers for friendliest city are n.y. and la!

What a joke, As for DJ, playing in garbage time is a waste. I clearly believe if a player is playing for a few minutes, but the team is already winning big, it's not the same. Players that typically go in during garbage time have this thought in their head (at least I would), games in hand so the coach can actually play me, I must not be worth much to them if they won't play me when it matters. What happens when a player gets injured late in the season, or in the playoffs, or gets suspended. It's been 2 years in a row we've not been ready for that, and here comes year number 3! It's the dumbest thing, not to be thinking about this sort of thing. But, on the other hand, Piatkowski and Skinner did get some early minutes I think, maybe the coach is trying to rotate 1-2 normal 8-12 guys into the rotation.

I love the Suns, and have lived in Phoenix for 20 years, and now live in the Plano, Texas area. While stupid dirk yelling at his teammates doesn't have a shot at me being a Mavs fan, it's very clear to my wife and I that the NorthEast Dallas cities are MUCH, MUCH friendlier than Phoenix, LA, NY, etc. No question!

Plus you can actually afford a home here, and the school system isn't taking a dive, my wife's sister is a school teacher in Litchfield, all we hear about is how the number of students per class is growing, how teachers pay is so low, how bills to get more money for the schools have mostly been voted down! Sad, where the schools here are awesome, but, it's simple, they're getting a lot of money from property tax that AZ schools aren't. Not state tax here balances the high property tax out. (sorry to get off subject)

I just so ticked off at the real estate market in Phoenix, I have a friend who I tried to get to move to Texas 2 years + ago, he works hard but doesn't make much, maybe $32,000 a year 50hrs a week. Well, he insisted on getting his first home in Phoenix, actually on the outskirts, 1300 sq ft for $210,000! The home is worth maybe $170,000 now (just a guess, but it's much lower), and he only had $5000 down. What a mess.

by jasonsuns1 on Nov 14, 2007 8:37 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Meh......
Going to school in LA (LMU) has given me tons of respect for Phoenix.  I just cant stand the insanity of LA or just the Peoples Republic of California in general.

  Though I'm sure Texas has a bunch of good things going for it, when I get out of school i'm sure to head back home to Phoenix.

"Ultimate excellence lies not in winning every battle, but in defeating your enemy without ever fighting." Sun Tzu

by Turambar on Nov 14, 2007 11:28 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

on your above comments...
On your snowbirds, etc comments on suns fans, yep, that sure is the way of it. I went to a suns game and was lucky enough to get second row in front of the scorers table, and I was cheering, and yelling, I was so excited to see them in person. But I noticed the crowd around me, except for 2-3 annoying hecklers, were quiet. I agree, except for playoffs or big rivalry games, the suns fans in general are much less fanatic about their team than most other teams I've seen, Dallas and G.S. in particular, let alone boston, etc.

Bandwagon pretty well covers it, there are a few like us that have to blog because of our love for basketball and the suns! My wife pointed that out also, that many people close to the court seemed to be very rich, and more interested in their kids, or their phone than the game. Whatever you think about Sarver, (stupid move on spurs coach for not playing duncan a year or 2 ago), you have to love that he is a passionate suns fan.

With Phoenix being 1 of the top 3-4 places in the US for retirement and snowbirds, I don't think things would change for the suns, even if they won a championship, many fans would be the same, sadly.

by jasonsuns1 on Nov 14, 2007 12:51 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I sure hope the fans improve
I'm not so sure that our fan base is destined to being just "ok".  I mean just imagin when the Suns win the Championship (it's bound to happen someday), you cant seriously tell me that Phoenix wouldnt collectivly explode with joy.  

But hey look at it a different way.  These past few years have created a new generation of young Suns fans that shall bring the fanbase into the future.  God know's my little brother will be waving the Suns banner for many years to come thanks to the heroics of Nash and Company.  So we'll just have to see, but in the meantime you can sure as hell bet that the fanbase will be geared up and ready to boo and curse the shit out of the Spurs when they come to town.

"Ultimate excellence lies not in winning every battle, but in defeating your enemy without ever fighting." Sun Tzu

by Turambar on Nov 14, 2007 1:06 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Glad you had a good time, but ...
I wasn't very impressed with the Suns in the second half.  The first half was great, and the Suns were up by 15 or something like that.  After that, though, it was dead.  And, yes, the crowd was dead, but ...
  1.  There was nothing to cheer for, and
  2.  Since there was never any threat from the Knicks, there was nothing to be concerned about.
Maybe it's a lot of Spurs games?
Mmmmm ... Guinness

by JSun on Nov 14, 2007 8:54 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

Minutes! Scrubs! Garbage Time!
Watching from home the game really did have a feeling of inevitability, basically from early on in the 1st quarter.  The one nitpick I had was echoed here by others--what was Nash doing in so late, with such a big lead?  Barbosa played nearly the whole game, and Grant Hill was in very late, too.  Boris I sort of get, maybe they're trying to get him going, but doesn't he still have 2 sore ankles?  

You can't play to avoid injury, but these guys have a long season ahead and D'antoni seems to have already given up on his vow to keep the minutes down.  If you can't let the rooks play while pasting a lousy, injured Knicks team at home early on, I don't see him easing up in March.

League Pass had the Knicks feed last night and even Kenny Smith was grumbling about D'antoni's refusal to let the rookies get into the game after it was pretty clearly over.

by SoCalSun on Nov 14, 2007 1:26 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Knicks feed on LP
And what was up with that? I thought you generally get the home town feed on LP, so I was looking forward to that after all those road games.

Maybe they don't pick up the My45 feeds.

by SueB on Nov 14, 2007 2:01 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

thanks for info...
on K.Smith and his thoughts being similar to ours, playing time, our suns still being in, etc

I've always kind of liked him as a commentator, I think he's still unbeaten on the 3 pt contest on the side he has held vs reggie miller, and others

by jasonsuns1 on Nov 14, 2007 4:28 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

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