Early Game Day Open Thread: Phoenix Suns at LA Lakers
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![]() Los Angeles Lakers |
| 19-8 | 17-10 | |
| 3:00 PM Mountain / 5:00 PM Eastern | ||
| TV: ABC | ||
| Probable starters: | ||
| Steve Nash | PG | Derek Fisher |
| Raja Bell | SG | Kobe Bryant |
| Grant Hill | SF | Luke Walton |
| Shawn Marion | PF | Lamar Odom |
| Amare Stoudemire | C | Andrew Bynum |
More travel for me, so I'm creating the game day thread early. Besides, this is another one of those big games that needs multiple days for discussion, right? First things first: The Suns must make a better showing than they did last time they met the Lakers back in November. That shouldn't be a problem--no way the Suns have forgotten the sting of being humiliated on their own floor. They'll no doubt be looking for some payback. Second, like srp pointed out in the comments to last night's recap, the Lakers have looked pretty good so far this year, so there's no excuse to take this team lightly. Third and most important, it's the Lakers on Christmas Day. A victory in this situation would be especially sweet.
As I mentioned above, I am traveling, hence no live blogging during the game. The recap will be delayed as well--I'll write it when I get back home and have had a chance to watch on DVR. The good news is, this should be the last time I have to miss a game for the foreseeable future.
Given the outcome of the earlier game, I'm sad to say the Raja Bell clothesline video has been permanently banned from being the YouTube of the Day for the remainder of the season. Instead, I'll go with Steve Nash and his record-tying 23 assists in the 2007 playoffs. Since he's been on an assist tear of late, this seems especially appropriate.
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Speaking of assists
Toronto is not San Antonio
Open Court: Suns burning out?
By Nick Prevenas
Published: Sunday, December 23, 2007 3:40 AM MST
Through 27 games of the NBA season, what are we to make of this Phoenix Suns squad?
On the surface, it would appear as if it's business-as-usual for coach Mike D'Antoni's high-flying squad.
The Suns currently sit atop the Pacific Division standings, three games ahead of the Los Angeles Lakers. At 19-8, they're currently in the mix with San Antonio, Detroit, Orlando and Dallas for the NBA's second-best record after the rejuvenated Boston Celtics.
The offense is as prolific and efficient as ever, averaging a league-best 109 points per game on nearly 50 percent shooting.
Perennial MVP candidate Steve Nash continues to defy father time. At an age where most elite point guards begin to physically break down, Nash, 33, leads the league in assists at 12.2 per game while maintaining his mind-boggling shooting percentages (52 percent from the floor, 46 percent from three-point range, 93 percent from the line).
Super sub Leandro Barbosa remains the league's quickest player off the dribble and is one of the few non-starts in this league who can singlehandedly take over a game.
Perennial MVP candidate Steve Nash continues to defy father time. At an age where most elite point guards begin to physically break down, Nash, 33, leads the league in assists at 12.2 per game while maintaining his mind-boggling shooting percentages (52 percent from the floor, 46 percent from three-point range, 93 percent from the line).
Super sub Leandro Barbosa remains the league's quickest player off the dribble and is one of the few non-starts in this league who can singlehandedly take over a game.
Newcomer Grant Hill is healthy and playing some of the best basketball of his post-Pistons career, with his cerebral approach fitting in nicely with the pass-oriented Suns attack.
However, none of this should satisfy Suns fans. While this team is very good, it could've been great.
During this three-year stretch where the Suns have become the league's most entertaining team and Nash has developed into the perfect offensive point guard, the Suns have yet to represent the Western Conference in the NBA Finals.
While the questionable Stoudemire and Boris Diaw suspensions after Game 4 of the Western Conference Finals against the Spurs last season didn't help matters, the root of these problems lies much deeper.
First, the Suns have no answers for Tim Duncan. Since he's the best player of his generation, that is nothing to be ashamed of, but as long as Duncan is healthy and surrounded by good players, he will thwart the Suns' playoff efforts.
Even when the Suns beat the Tony Parker-less Spurs 100-95 this past Monday, Duncan still had 36 points and 17 rebounds.
Second, the Suns have yet to show an ability to get a defensive stop when they absolutely need one.
Look, I love Phoenix's approach to the game and the beautiful way they execute on offense, but in playoff basketball, most games come down to one or two possessions where you have to lock down your opponent and grab a key rebound.
In a related story, this year's Suns team has the league's worst rebounding margin at minus-six per game.
Third, and most importantly, the ownership is too cheap for its own good.
New general manager and Arizona hoops legend Steve Kerr knows what it takes to put a winning team together, as he is only five years removed from his fifth NBA championship, but it's impossible to say whether majority owner Robert Sarver will give him the financial leeway to make the necessary adjustments.
In 2004, Phoenix held the No. 7 pick in what was widely considered a loaded draft. The Suns gave the pick away to the Bulls for a worthless second rounder and a future first, where Chicago selected Luol Deng, who has developed into one of the best young forwards in the league.
In 2006, desperate for a young backup point guard to help take some pressure off of Nash, the Suns elected to give Boston the 21st pick in a cash-cutting move. The Celtics selected Rajon Rondo, currently starting at point guard for the 20-2 Celtics.
The 2007 draft wasn't much different, with Phoenix selling the 24th pick to Portland to save some money. The Blazers selected promising Spanish shooter Rudy Fernandez.
Prior to the start of this season, Phoenix gave away Kurt Thomas--the squad's only legitimate post defender--to the Seattle Sonics for a couple of worthless second-round picks in another cash-cutting move.
I'm not sure I understand any of these moves. There isn't a better value in the NBA than a solid youngster playing on a rookie contract and Thomas was a proven playoff warrior.
If Sarver is so terrified of paying the luxury tax, it makes far more business sense to sell high on a veteran making more than $16 million per year--someone like, say, Shawn Marion--than to give away valuable picks in talent-heavy drafts.
While Marion is no doubt a valuable asset to this team, his numbers are down (especially his atrocious three-point shooting) and he has never seemed totally at ease, since he feels like he's the most underappreciated player in the league.
Phoenix's payroll currently stands at more than $71 million. Nash might be the best dollar-for-dollar value in the league, considering everything he brings to this franchise on and off the court, but the window is closing.
Nash won't be the league's best offensive point guard forever, not with Chris Paul breathing down his neck.
If the Suns are to win a championship in the Nash era, changes must take place, starting from the top down. Not drastic changes, mind you, just a handful of small philosophical alterations to help make this team a viable title contender.
Either that, or pray that Duncan retires soon.
by OneSunsFan on Dec 24, 2007 11:45 AM MST reply actions
Please
2nd - This is all the same old stuff people have been saying for years. Its not even worth responding to. Sure, the Suns might not be able to get past the Spurs or perhaps the Pistons are really going to win it all. Its sports. There's never any guarantees. For any team. And I for one am looking forward to the rest of the season and THEN the chance to find out. And hey, if the Suns don't win the ring I seriously doubt I will jump off the nearest bridge.
3rd - This is a thread about tomorrow's game against the Lakers. Its a very intersting game what with the beat down they put on the Suns on the home opener which included some Phil Jax silliness when he called a double time out to rub it in and pissed of the Suns and how well they are playing with more Bynum and Odom and less Kobe. Have any thoughts on that?
Merry Christmas.
by Seth Pollack on Dec 24, 2007 8:12 PM MST up reply actions
No live blogging
Seems like a good start for the Suns. Wish Amare's jumper would come back. And he got outmuscled yet again on that one board.
I was sort of ... hoping? ... Raja would be out, but he's been looking good defending Kobe so far.
Rip-off call
hi sue
Maybe 2 instant replay challenges per team per quarter. And the refs can use unlimited if needed. I say just have another ref that always is on the sideline with the tv remote, to try and keep pace up.
Right
I don't know about replay though. There's still so much judgment involved, I can't really see how they'd make rulings on plays like that. Was Ariza off the ground just a fraction before Hill was in position? How do you rule?
Ah, here's the new Nash NBA ad. Great stuff.
i missed the nash add
Sweeeet - thanks!
by Seth Pollack on Dec 25, 2007 4:45 PM MST up reply actions
Great game so far...
Then Diaw came in an wow. He looked fantastic. He finished on a great Nash assist and then caught the ball on the baseline, pump faked his man and drove and then launched himself at the rim for a two-handed dunk. He was fouled by Odom and didn't finished but the aggressivness was was thing of beauty. Defensively when Nash and Amare were out Skinner got two quick blocks and the Suns really played hard.
This looks like its going to be a great game.
Derek friggin Fisher
by Seth Pollack on Dec 25, 2007 4:43 PM MST up reply actions
Nash leading the Sun in scoring
Not really enjoying myself
I don't know
yep..but
haha
love skinner
Balance
Only Nash has more than 14. Not enough to beat Kobe's 32 plus Bynum's 24.
Not looking good
Okay, still hoping
Well, not anymore
me either...
amare 6 for 11 field goals, 7-10 freethrows, 6 reb
bynum 11 for 13 fg, 6-8 freethrows, 12 reb and 14 by odom
i still have hope for us, hill is so good!! But I will never forget how close we were to getting Garnett, but the Hill, Skinner pickups have been nothing short of great. Pretty upset about Bell supposedly being one of our top 3 point shooters blowing 2 of 3 free throws at the end!
Worst loss of the year
When you add Kobe to a team with a solid 7ft big man, a versitle FG in Odom and then a some really decent role players who are sharing the ball and playing hard...wow. I was worried about the Ariza trade when it happened and now I know why. He's a much better option for them against us b/c he can play atheltic defense against Hill and also give them another option to finish at the rim.
And its not as if the Suns were sucking wind tonight. They got beat by a better team. ouch.
Now, its still early and Lakers could trade Kobe, lose Odom again, or just not make it over the hump due to their youth. And I do think that in the playoffs in 7 games the Suns would win. But I would rather not have to find out. I would much rather match up w/ Utah or Houston or even the GSW's.
Bad loss
We missed some key FTs down the stretch that was surprising, even Nashy missed one! Our shooting in general tonight was off.
Lakers are definitely better than last year, but we would still win in a 7 game series once we start playing better.
by alta on Dec 25, 2007 9:39 PM MST reply actions
Ugh!
TwinnerA
On one particular play Bynum made a bide dunk with Amare guarding him (actually this happened a few times), Amare was pretty quiet until this particular dunk), then on the very next play, the Amare who comes out once in a while, but not every game appeared, took a pass from top of the key - free throw level, and took one dribble and slammed it down. It was the type of drive and score that made me remember of the Amare from 2 yrs ago, the Amare who played incredible against the Mavs in a playoff series, the Amare who we all thought was on his way to becoming the best player in the league. What happened? I know he got injured, but this motivation on/off again is purely mental. I think we're in real trouble as a team if our big guy who many think is our future has motivation problems. Granted, some of this might be due to him picking up cheap fouls and getting off the court too quick because of it....but dam, does anyone else notice sometimes the Amare of old shows up, then more often he doesn't.
I like Nash, but could it be the equal - fairness thing is actually hurting Amare, in other words, maybe we're not going to Amare early enough, he sure isn't getting many shots off. I think Amare is our number one scoring option, but we haven't been treating him like it...so, many angles on this one...
All really good observations
"I thought maybe that reaction by Bynum would inspire Amare to play better, and he did get the slam at the other end and he and Matrix doubled Bynum and stole it the next time down. But he still needs to be better."
But that was about it. One single, "so there". For the Suns to be better, Amare can and must be better on a consistent basis. And the team must help him to be better. If it's feeding him more often, so be it. But if it's not possible to make him better, then .... :(
yep...
thx
Grumpy
SueB, I never read the board over at AZCentral (or at ESPN) because it gives me a headache. A train wreck indeed.
Missing Mark?
Perhaps instead of a player trade, Kerr needs to go out and find a new assistant coach to come in the manage the defense like Mark did.

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