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Karma and the Mavericks' post-mortem

Since circumstances (i.e., weather) brought me back from my weekend family visit a day earlier than I expected, I'm going to use the extra time to purge myself of a mountain of bad karma I accumulated in the two days following the Mavericks' unceremonious dismissal from the playoffs. I have to confess, when I found out the Mavericks lost--and in such an ugly fashion--I was positively giddy. I went onto every local website I could find just to read the comments from Mavericks fans, and bask in their moment of sorrow. After all, this was the team that shot down my Suns last year when they could no longer make miracles out of a season filled with injuries and adversity. It's human nature to revel in seeing the team that kicked your favorite team when it was down be utterly destroyed and embarrassed in a way that no one will ever forget. I'm sure I am not the only Suns fan who rejoiced when the Mavericks seemingly laid down the sword in the third quarter of Game 6, and conceded their season to the Warriors. But I was wrong to gloat, and no matter how much I want to tell myself otherwise, that's exactly what I did.

Perhaps it was spending the weekend amongst Mavericks fans that opened my eyes. I have five people in my immediate family who watched every single one of the Mavericks' 67-wins during the regular season, and were eagerly looking forward to seeing their team win 16 more for a championship. They are, as expected, completely disappointed and appalled at what happened, however, they all agree on two things:

  1. Had the Mavericks faced any of the bottom four seeds besides Golden State, they would be in the second round right now, probably in a sweep or darn near close to it.

  2. Had Golden State faced any team other than the Mavericks and played the way they did, that team (even had it been the Spurs or Suns) would have suffered the same fate as the Mavericks.
I'm inclined to agree on the first point wholeheartedly, and maybe the second point too (although I do think the Suns and Spurs would have fought for it tooth and toenail until the last possession). In any case, losing to a Golden State team that hadn't made the playoffs in over a decade, or won a playoff series in over two, is maybe not as shameful as it initially seems. The Warriors laid it all on the line, and they were coached by someone who knows the Mavericks (and their star player) maybe better than they know themselves. Perhaps like Steve Nash says, it "just wasn't meant to be" for the Mavericks this year.

And speaking of what Steve said, maybe it would behoove all of us who are gleefully rejoicing in Dirk Nowitzki's utter humiliation to take a moment to remember that he is, in fact, Steve's best friend. Whatever sense of vengence we feel at Dirk's dramatic fall from grace, after he presumably took the MVP award from Steve, is not shared by Steve himself. That much is obvious from Steve's interview at practice on Friday. Clearly, he feels terrible for Dirk, and takes no joy at all in seeing his friend embarrassed. Listening to that interview (it starts a tad before the 8-minute mark) is one of those moments that remind us that behind all the money, glitz, and glamour of the NBA life are real people who have friends and people they care about just like any of us. I have to say, after listening to what Steve said, I feel a little bit embarrassed myself to have taken such pleasure in another human's misfortune.

So, does any of that "bad karma" stuff really matter to begin with? Dan asked us a week ago what we thought about jinxes. I said at the time that "I believe in karma, not jinxes". Is there really any difference in the two? Perhaps not--there is, after all, no physical evidence that either actually exists. However, consider this:

  • After Mark Cuban went on a talk show last year and bragged about how his team was in the Finals while Steve Nash was sitting at home, the Mavericks promptly dropped their next four games to Miami in one of the worst choke-jobs ever in the history of sports. And after Cuban dissed Don Nelson by first running him out of town, then bad-mouthing him to the media, Nelson got to author what may be the greatest upset in NBA history at Cuban's expense.

  • After Dwayne Wade mocked Dirk Nowitzki's lack of leadership skills, he got injured and his team was swept from the playoffs in the first round.

  • After legions of Mavericks fans, the media, and the Mavericks organization itself placed the Mavericks on a pedistal, and boasted about how they were one of the greatest teams of all times, the Mavericks suffered a second consecutive year of playoff humiliation.

  • After Dirk Nowitzki sneered into the camera on December 28 as he dropped in a game-winning buzzer-beater over the Suns, his own personal choke-job on March 14 against that same Suns team resulted in one of the most heart-breaking regular  season losses of his career.

  • After making quips to the media about another team's players getting injured in 2005 and 2006, Mike D'Antoni lost one of his own starters during the playoffs each time.

  • And speaking of that, after clotheslining Kobe Bryant in the first round, Raja Bell became the Suns' playoff-ending injury victim for 2006.
Does all of this add up to proof that karma exists? I'm not sure, but it certainly makes me not want to take any chances! So, with that in mind, I hearby apologize to the Mavericks, their fans, and to Dirk in particular for being a complete jerk the past few days. And whoever out there is responsible for doling out the karma, please remember that it isn't the Suns' fault one of their fans ran afoul of all that is decent in the rules of good sportsmanship--and that we fans, after all, are only human.
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Karma- yes.
TexSun,

Interesting topic and observations.

I believe in both Karma and jinx. They are not the same, however. Karma is the cause and effect, as you listed some excellent examples of it.

A jinx is just a jinx. Quite often when people say that a certain team or an individual is going to do something great (e.g. winning), it often does not happen. That's where the power of pessimism comes in. I usually don't jinx the Suns because of that. When that happens to their opponent, the intent to jinx is not there. In other words, intentional jinxes don't work.

TexSun, I don't think Raja's injury at the end of the season was the result of the clotheslining foul on Kobe. For it to be bad Karma the intent to hurt has to be there, and I don't believe Raja had that purpose. I think it was a matter of some kind of a collective Karma for the two teams involved. The Mavs and Cuban obviously had some good Karma on their side, and I think that was the reason for it.

Cuban's horrible comments about Nelson and Nash has brought nothing but bad Karma to the Mavs. When someone's head gets too big, nature has a way of cutting it down to size. In the interview after the loss to GSW, Cuban appeared humble. I think the Mavs will have a chance in the next few years if Cuban stays humble.  I don't have a problem with him replacing Nelson or letting Nash leave- those can be business decisions, but to brag about those decisions while putting down these two great individuals was totally uncalled for.  He has done it many times over the years and finally nature said, "that's enough!".

I did not gloat over the Mavs' loss, but I was absolutely thrilled for GSW. Although it was not Dirk's fault, he had to face the embarrassment of a very un-MVP like performance throughout the series with GSW. I could not help feeling sorry for Dirk and the other Mavs players. I had difficulty feeling sorry for Cuban, but at least I did not feel happy about his misery.

Please don't misunderstand me. I am not saying- I am better than you. Not at all. There was an element of joy in me too because of the Mavs' loss, and an element of redemption for Nash, who IMO was the true MVP of this year. Fortunately for me, those feelings were fleeting, and feeling genuinely sorry for the Mavs was a much more pleasant feeling.

by Vash01 on May 6, 2007 7:02 PM MDT   0 recs

Better...
Well, I would say if nothing else, you are definitely a better fan than me without question. I've been really impressed with how you've stuck up for the Suns players, especially Nash when anybody (e.g., me) steps over the line with criticism. And now you're sticking up for the Mavericks too, even though you're on record as saying you "hate" that team. I have to say, I am in awe. But hey, it's not about who's "better" anyway. :)

by TexSUN on May 6, 2007 8:40 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Oh
I'm taoist.  Not a very good taoist, but one nonetheless...and karma isn't my bag, but I gather this:

Karma tends to exist if you think it does.  In such a belief, one tends to adhere to it both consciously and subconsciously, thus deriving one's own reality, or changing it upon a different stimulus.

Essentially, most of our reality is created by what we know and perceive:  nonetheless, there is that "shady area" of which we are not fully aware, and maybe there's some crazy crap that happens when one merely thinks "Tim Duncan Sucks Monkey Nuts".

If I was a better taoist, that shadiness would be far clearer.

I hope this helps.

flim springfield

by DrStrom on May 7, 2007 2:48 AM MDT   0 recs

I believe
in karma to a certain extent. For example, I thought Nellie embarassing Cuban on a national stage is a prime example.
And Ive always believed that fans who spend more time hating/bashing another team rather than supporting their own are asking for it sooner or later.
As for the mavs...I don't mind Dirk, I think Howard is budding talent and maybe Harris and Stackhouse has a lot of heart. Otherwise, I can't stand Cuban (who can really) and in general, I felt sorry for the mavs players. But mostly, I'm glad the Warriors exposed the mavs and their weaknesses.

I think Steve Nash is a complete CLASS act, I like what he said about Dallas being the underdogs in the series given their small margin of victory against GSW over a couple of seasons. I don't agree with him, but you can tell he was trying to dilute the embarassment for his friend Dirky.

Am I the only one who'd like to see Steve and Dirk play together? I think it'd be amazing to see how they've both come along and how that'd translate into playing together

by alta on May 7, 2007 7:56 AM MDT   0 recs

All-Star game
I think the only time Dirk and Steve will ever again take the court together will be at the All-Star game. But then, you never know. I suppose if the Suns exit in this round and decide to blow things up, and the Mavericks also decide to blow things up, then it's possible (like .00000000001% chance of it ever happening) that either the Suns might decide to rebuild around Amare, and send Steve to the Mavericks for some young guys (I wonder if Cuban thinks Steve is worth that kind of money now?), or maybe the Mavs could send Dirk to the Suns for Amare or Marion. But like I said that's so close to 0% of it ever happening that it's probably not worth even thinking about. I'm sure they'd love to be on the same team again, though.

by TexSUN on May 7, 2007 12:38 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

third team
Or they could both be sent to a third team, for a top draft pick (1.Oden for Mavs, 2.Kevin Durant for the Suns).  The chances of this happening are even lower than what texSun came up with.

Personally I would not mind seeing Dirk play for the Suns, along side his good friend Steve who could infuse some competitive fires into him. It will give us a 7-footer- someone we have not had in a while- and he is a good shooter too.

by Vash01 on May 7, 2007 12:49 PM MDT   0 recs

LOL
Well, it sure wouldn't help our defense any, but Nash+LB+Bell+Dirk+Amare (I'm assuming Shawn would have to be traded to make it work) would probably average about 120 points a game, so maybe it wouldn't matter if we were giving up 110. :)

Ok, this is getting way too close to AZCentral/phxsuns.net premature rebuilding plan talk... The Spurs HAVE only won one of the four games they need to beat us, right?

by TexSUN on May 7, 2007 1:01 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

and we have none
Tues. night's game could be the Suns' last home game of the season. It could happen! The way these two teams are playing I will not surprised if the Spurs just ran away and into the WCF.  This is a do or die game for the Suns but are they listening (except Nash)?

by Vash01 on May 7, 2007 11:51 PM MDT   0 recs

Hmm...
Well, I'm not ready to concede the season just yet, but any unbiased person would have to say the Spurs definitely have a leg up on this one. However, I don't think it will be a sweep. It will go at least five, and probably six. But then, like I said the other day, sometimes I think the Suns could play the Spurs ten times in a row, and lose every game by no more than five points each. For some reason, the Spurs just always seem to come up with that one last play (or in some cases, just plain luck!) to pull out the win. Nothing I saw yesterday or in the game on April 5 has changed my mind about that. The good news is, when I'm feeling this pessimistic, usually the opposite of what I expect ends up happening (see Mavs-Warriors).

by TexSUN on May 8, 2007 12:05 AM MDT to parent up   0 recs

You undid yourself
TexSun,

Please please please STAY pessimistic. Don't undo it by adding that bit of 'good news' at the end...LOL.

The reason the Suns lose to the Spurs every time is they lack confidence against this team, and Duncan in particular.  I think it is partly the coach's fault. He does not believe in his own team.  

by Vash01 on May 8, 2007 12:08 AM MDT   0 recs

All for Travis
I added that last sentence because I figured I was going to get a much-deserved royal drubbing from Travis for "not believing in my team". :)

by TexSUN on May 8, 2007 12:15 AM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Hey, don't hold back now :)
I'm all for what works!  If your deepest levels of pessimism somehow align the stars and planets and call down the powers of the almighty basketball Naismith gods to deliver a victorious sweep of the Spurs then by all means, keep wallowing. ;)

by Travis on May 8, 2007 1:40 AM MDT to parent up   0 recs

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