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Dodging the Draft

ESPN is reporting that Yi Jianlian will "definitely not" play for the Bucks, by order of his national team. You know, it's probably a good thing I'm running short on time tonight. Otherwise, fresh on the heels of a week spent watching a summer league filled with guys who would happily be the 12th man on worst team ever for a chance to play in the NBA, this news would likely inspire a lengthy tirade that's best left unwritten. This isn't even the Suns' guy after all, so I guess it isn't my place to get all worked up about it. However, the Suns were looking at him prior to the draft, and there's the slightest possibility he could have been their selection had Atlanta's pick fallen their way. Which begs the question, would he have even played here if he'd been selected? It seems the claim from his team back home now is that there were concerns that Yi wouldn't get enough playing time on the Bucks to develop properly as a player:

"This is not -- as media reports have said -- because Milwaukee, as a city with very few Chinese people, is not good for Yi's commercial development," [Guangdong Tigers chief, Chen Haitao] said.
[...]
Chen expressed concern that Yi would have trouble getting playing time with the Bucks, whose squad boasts Australian 7-footer Andrew Bogut and a number of other tall young players.

To that I say: Huh?!? Weren't the Suns on Yi's list of acceptable destinations? I'm pretty sure I read that somewhere. At the very least, his handlers didn't seem to mind when Steve Kerr, David Griffin, and Vinny Del Negro went to watch him work out in Los Angeles. So if the concern is the amount of playing time, why on earth would they expect he'd get more of that on a championship contender infamous for using a short rotation than he would playing for Milwaukee? Had the Suns drafted Yi, would his people have made guaranteeing a certain number of minutes a provision for his signing? I can't imagine the Suns would have gone along with that, and you know what? That's fine by me. The more I hear about Yi, the more grateful I am that the Suns are not the ones involved in this mess. Some team is likely going to take Yi off Milwaukee's hands for pennies on the dollar. I wouldn't want to be anywhere near when that happens. The amount of bad karma that's going to create will be around for the next decade!
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Should the Suns try to trade for Yi?
No way! We don't need all that baggage that comes with him.
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Certainly. He's a terrific prospect and it would be silly to pass up the chance to get him.
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That it had more to do with the logjam of big men they already had in Milwaukee -- not to mention the small market and low exposure he'd have there.

If he landed in Phoenix, he'd be considered on of our "Bigs" -- which there aren't too many of.  Plus, our Suns like to run the floor, are more entertaining to watch, play on TV a lot, and are in a bigger market.  Personally, the playing on TV a lot and bigger market reasons are the real reasons... jmho.

"I am not a role model. A million guys can dunk a basketball in jail, should they be role models?" - Charles Barkley

by kcbrett5 on Jul 17, 2007 9:06 PM MDT   0 recs

Don't be so sure
From what I've read about Yi, he's "big" in physical height, but not so much in the way he plays. He's been compared to Dirk Nowitzki in that regard--ask the Mavericks how well that works when Dirk tries to play center. If Yi can't play center, then he'd be competing with Shawn Marion, Boris Diaw, and Grant Hill at the forward positions. Even if he did play center, he'd be taking whatever minutes are left behind Amare (that's assuming the Suns used KT in the trade for Yi, if not, he'd be competing with KT too). Since Mike D'Antoni isn't exactly enthusiastic about the prospect of losing games for the sake of developing players, I just don't think Yi would get his "acceptable" amount of playing time here. (Assuming such a thing even exists. Personally, I don't buy it. I think they just thought it would sound better than "Milwaukee isn't glamorous enough", but that's just my opinion).

by TexSUN on Jul 17, 2007 9:47 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Agreed
Yi would be nice here in a rebuilding year even if he wasnt a punk.  Yet despite our heart crushing loss to the Spurs we are still very, very much the contenders and have no time to develope young tallent.  I also have to agree with you on the real reason for Yi turning down the Bucks, which is that it just isnt glamorous enough.  All in all I have to say that Yi disgusts me to no end.  We'll see how he feels when no one chooses to take him.  
"Ultimate excellence lies not in winning every battle, but in defeating your enemy without ever fighting." Sun Tzu

by Turambar on Jul 17, 2007 10:04 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Lucky to Even Get a Chance
It truly boggles the mind to see someone like Yi outright refuse to go into the NBA because the team that drafted him he happened to not like.  This guy is lucky not to be stuck in his crap Chinese provence as a coal miner getting paid pennies on the hour.  It just blows my mind that he'd even have the audacity to even think of refusing to play.  Some people have no shame I guess.  I mean even if I was going to be on the bench for the whole of my career i'd still be counting my lucky stars that I was making lots of cash to play a game.  Some people would kill for such a chance.  

Well I bet you guys an indian head nickle that after this no one in any league office will even dream of thinking of doing business with this punk.  He can rot in the Chinese league for eternity for all I care.  All Yi had to do was bite the bullet and play for the Bucks for three years and then he could be as free as a bird, but obviously he has no patience to do so.  I have no time for fools and this man is certainly a king among fools.

"Ultimate excellence lies not in winning every battle, but in defeating your enemy without ever fighting." Sun Tzu

by Turambar on Jul 17, 2007 9:13 PM MDT   0 recs

Well, in fairness to Yi
It does sound like this decision is as much or more  his national team's idea rather than Yi himself. Still, if he (and his people) weren't prepared to abide by the rules of the draft, then he shouldn't have entered it in the first place. Like you said, there are lots of guys out there who would kill just for the chance to sit on the bench on an NBA team. I bet Ron Hale would happily go play for Milwaukee.

by TexSUN on Jul 17, 2007 9:39 PM MDT   0 recs

This is not Yi's decision
Yi has virtually no control over this. Exporting players to the NBA is big business for China and it is the "management" that decides whether or not Yi plays. I'm surprised the Bucks were so foolish in wasting such a high pick knowing China was not interested in going to Milwaukee. As far as playing by the rules, when you are talking millions of dollars, there isn't any downside for the Chinese. What are they risking, immediate gratification for a bigger financial reward down the road? The Bucks are the ones who took all the risks, because they will never get full value in return because every team knows Yi is not going to play for them. This is totally different than Yao going to Houston, Houston is an idea destination for a Chinese player but Yao was also ready to step in and play where Yi is not. The Suns style and Yi's quickness and agility would mask his lack of strength. Amare, Yi and Marion could very easily co-exist. Yi looked pretty good against the D league players in the summer league.  

by Mihajlo on Jul 17, 2007 10:58 PM MDT   0 recs

Yi vs. the business
I agree that this is likely being driven by the people around Yi more so than by Yi himself. But, if he's that good of a player, then he could make a market for himself anywhere in the league, and even if it was just about playing time, he could earn that by beating out the guys in front of him, same as everyone else. Or he could go to on loan to the NBDL if he's not ready--again, just like everyone else. As you may have guessed, I'm not a big fan of giving a guy special treatment just because he (or his manager) doesn't want to abide by the same rules everyone else is subjected to. It doesn't really matter whose decision it was, the draft system would fall apart if every player got to pick which teams he was willing to play for.

Welcome to the board, btw. Sorry you had to catch me on a "pet peeve" subject. :)

by TexSUN on Jul 17, 2007 11:26 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Yi part II
Now Yi's Chinese agent is attempting damage control claiming their refusal is only based on getting the best possble scenario for Yi'development as a player. Such things as guaranteed minutes, utter nonsense! It only has to do with with the them getting Yi maximum exposure to a Chinese-American market that transaltes into bigger money for them in the long-run with endorsements and making basketball even bigger in China, if thats even possible after what Yao has done for it. Who has ever heard of any rookie getting promises on starting and the number of minutes? It's ridiculous, especially for a player who is probably three years away from developing an NBA game. It took Dirk at least two years before he was well on his way to stardom. Have you ever imagined what it would be like if there wasn't a draft? I wonder how chaotic it would really get with the salary restrictions?

by Mihajlo on Jul 18, 2007 7:41 AM MDT   0 recs

Exactly
I hadn't read that a request for guaranteed minutes had actually been made, but I did wonder whether something like that might become an issue if he were traded to a team that satisfied his marketing requirements, but where playing time might be slim for a rookie that by all accounts still needs a good deal of "seasoning" before he's really ready for a significant role at the NBA level. I still say Yi has to earn his spot like everybody else. This article pretty much sums up how I feel about the whole situation. And articles like this one (about Yao) is why I really wanted to write a five-page rant about the Chinese Basketball Association last night. This quote is absolutely ridiculous:
"No matter how lofty public welfare activities are, they can't be allowed to take first place in a player's life,'' the China Sports Daily, a federation-owned newspaper, said in an article appearing Tuesday.

"No matter how sweet personal life is, it can't be compared to the exultation of capturing glory for one's nation,'' the article said.


Apparently, the Chinese Basketball Association doesn't appreciate Yao taking time off to work charity and get married at the expense of missing a couple of weeks of training with his national team. Ok, I understand them being a little upset at him for showing up late to work, but to actually publicly state that putting family above career is unacceptable? Sheesh...

by TexSUN on Jul 18, 2007 8:27 AM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Message from Butler aka The Humongous
Well, here's how it is folks, and it's nothing complicated. I was in China last year and believe me, the Chinese gov't thinks in a very unique way when it comes to their image in America (yes, the Chinese population looks up to us as the people they most want to emulate - except for our president):

Who does Yao Ming play for? No matter where the city is in America, if a Chinese idol plays for a team called the "Rockets" (a mascot which the Chinese can appreciate) and gets to wear the color red (a most desirable color in China where the national flag happens to be a blood-soaked red), well then you've sold the Chinese government on the idea.

Now Yi Jianlian is going to be just as famous as Yao. No way do the Chinese authorities want Yi splashed across billions of TVs wearing puke green! They want Yi in RED. To play in the NBA, Yi needs to represent COMMUNIST CHINESE SUPERIORITY.

So that leaves - Toronto, Atlanta, Houston...maybe Miami, Portland or Chicago. This is not about basketball or even Yi himself. It's about making China look good. And China doesn't look good in green.

by The Humongous on Jul 18, 2007 8:45 AM MDT   0 recs

Simple solution!
Then Del needs to call his son and have the Bucks uniform changed to red! Problem solved!

by Mihajlo on Jul 18, 2007 9:12 AM MDT   0 recs

TexSun
To that I say: Huh?!? Weren't the Suns on Yi's list of acceptable destinations? I'm pretty sure I read that somewhere. At the very least, his handlers didn't seem to mind when Steve Kerr, David Griffin, and Vinny Del Negro went to watch him work out in Los Angeles.

I think Yi's handlers don't like Milwaukee from the get go.

So if the concern is the amount of playing time, why on earth would they expect he'd get more of that on a championship contender infamous for using a short rotation than he would playing for Milwaukee? Had the Suns drafted Yi, would his people have made guaranteeing a certain number of minutes a provision for his signing? I can't imagine the Suns would have gone along with that,

I don't think they mind Yi getting limited playing time, as long as it's the Phoenix Suns.

by johnmarzan on Jul 19, 2007 3:07 AM MDT   0 recs

continuation
From what I've read about Yi, he's "big" in physical height, but not so much in the way he plays. He's been compared to Dirk Nowitzki in that regard--ask the Mavericks how well that works when Dirk tries to play center. If Yi can't play center, then he'd be competing with Shawn Marion, Boris Diaw, and Grant Hill at the forward positions. Even if he did play center, he'd be taking whatever minutes are left behind Amare (that's assuming the Suns used KT in the trade for Yi, if not, he'd be competing with KT too). Since Mike D'Antoni isn't exactly enthusiastic about the prospect of losing games for the sake of developing players, I just don't think Yi would get his "acceptable" amount of playing time here. (Assuming such a thing even exists. Personally, I don't buy it. I think they just thought it would sound better than "Milwaukee isn't glamorous enough", but that's just my opinion).

Yi is said to be versatile enough to play SF, PF, and some Center off the bench.

I agree that this is likely being driven by the people around Yi more so than by Yi himself. But, if he's that good of a player, then he could make a market for himself anywhere in the league, and even if it was just about playing time, he could earn that by beating out the guys in front of him, same as everyone else. Or he could go to on loan to the NBDL if he's not ready--again, just like everyone else.

The problem is, he is NOT that great of a player. Good one, but NOT great. Teams KNOW THAT but they still want him. Probably because of his marketing potential.

And play in the NBDL? hahahaha...

As you may have guessed, I'm not a big fan of giving a guy special treatment just because he (or his manager) doesn't want to abide by the same rules everyone else is subjected to. It doesn't really matter whose decision it was, the draft system would fall apart if every player got to pick which teams he was willing to play for.

I agree, but I think Milwaukee is stupid to get this guy at #6. I think this is a lose-lose for the bucks and Yi.

by johnmarzan on Jul 19, 2007 3:37 AM MDT   0 recs

Here's my open letter to michael hunt
 of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel:

Hi Michael,

Here's how i see things re the Yi situation.

  1. Yi Jianlian is not as good as Yao.
  2. Even if Yi is a mediocre player in golden state, LA, or any other place with a huge asian population, at least he's in a friendly and supportive environment within the chinese community. And the team profits by just having him around. but if he plays in Milwaukee, his chances of succeeding in the NBA is smaller, IMO. He has to play well, or else nobody will care for him there. And he'll probably end up back in China after the olympics.
But if he plays for Golden state, even if he's not playing all that great and is slow to develop, golden state will still try to keep him around because he'd be a fan favorite in that area and the Warriors can afford to be patient because they can always "cash in" on Yi presence there.

So to my mind, Yi has a better chance of succeeding in Golden State than Milwaukee. And I don't know why Milwaukee chose Yi over Noah, Brewer, Thornton, or Brandin Wright in the first place anyways. I think they are much better players than Jianlian.

3) I don't know if Philly or Phoenix have a sizable Asian population, but apparently Yi's handlers don't mind going there.

Why Phoenix? Probably because it is a title contender and a popular NBA team. Do they mind if Yi gets limited time? Probably not. Is it because they think Yi and Phoenix is a great marketing combination? I don't think so too. I think being on a winning team that gets plenty of exposure in tv is a huge deal for them.

so when you say:

Actually, this is a very smart strategy for forcing a trade. The Bucks could move Yi to a good team, like San Antonio or Phoenix or Dallas, where he would get almost no playing time. He'd be so rusty by the time the Olympics rolled around that the trainer would need to keep an oilcan nearby.

Were this latest stonewalling actually the case, the Bucks should trade Yi for Bruce Bowen - yeah, like that's going to happen - and really sabotage China's illusions of home-court gold.


They'd be delighted to see Yi in Phoenix or Dallas.

But why Philly? My guess is that they see the sixers as a great franchise, and continues to remain popular in asia because of iverson (who's in denver now). And they see Philadelphia as a "bigger" more "cosmopolitan" city, and a better place for a Chinese like Yi to live in than Milwaukee.

of course, nothing i say here will soothe your anger, and you're right that we can't let these chinese boss us around--but larry harris should have known better than to draft Yi. His choice was really inexplicable since there were better players below him.

I do feel some sympathy for the Bucks, but not much.

by johnmarzan on Jul 19, 2007 3:39 AM MDT   0 recs

Chinese community in Phx
Let me just say that if you went to the Suns game last year against Houston your question about the size of the Chinese basketball fan base in Phoenix would have been answered...enough said.

by Phoenix Stan on Jul 19, 2007 12:50 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Marketing...
This is clearly about marketing.  I think it's bad argument to say if Yi works hard, he can succeed anywhere, even in Milwaukee.  Because when it comes to the Chinese people (I am Chinese-American), we work hard no matter what.  So as long as Yi is going to work hard and succeed, he should do that in a big market where he (and his management) can make more money and deals.  Bottom line, Milwaukee is a really small market without international appeal.  Besides, only big teams can buy big players and benefit from their iconic values.  I think Milwaukee made a big mistake of drafting Yi.

by sonicking on Jul 19, 2007 12:50 PM MDT   0 recs

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