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Breaking News: Gasol to LA

Say it isn't so. My favorite Laker is going to Memphis. I will miss you Kwame!

Here's the scoop:

The Memphis Grizzlies will send Pau Gasol and a future second-round pick to the Lakers for Kwame Brown, Javaris Crittenton, the unofficially retired Aaron McKie , the draft rights to Pau Gasol's brother Marc and future first-round picks in 2008 and 2010, NBA front-office sources told ESPN.com's Marc Stein.

How much does this help LA? It certainly gives them a low post scoring option that can rebound which they are missing w/ Odom playing horribly this year (you think we have it bad w/ Diaw!) and Bynum's wandering knee cap....

Thoughts?

Update [2008-2-1 16:47:13 by srp]: Don't miss our resident BSoS Salary Cap Counsel's take on the trade here.

On the bright side, there's a new big ugly white dude w/ bad hair in LA. This has got to be a good sign for us....

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Sigh...depressing
Man sometimes i truly feel that the breaks go to every team but the Suns.  This trade has the potential of bringing the Lakers right back into the thick of things.  
Man...when things dont get easier they sure as hell get a lot more damned difficult!!!!!!!!!!!
"Ultimate excellence lies not in winning every battle, but in defeating your enemy without ever fighting." Sun Tzu

by Turambar on Feb 1, 2008 2:08 PM MST reply actions  

Wow...
Absolutely awesome deal for the Lakers. It keeps them afloat while Bynum is recovering, and once he's back (on paper at least), look out. At first glance, I think this greatly helps the Lakers in their attempts to leapfrog us this year.

Then again, there's always a chance they'll self-combust over roles and playing time once everyone is healthy again. Won't this mean they'll either have to bring one of Gasol, Odom, or Bynum off the bench or else bump Odom down to the SF spot?  Regardless, the Lakers obviously got the sweet end of this deal if for no other reason than unloading Kwame.

by TexSUN on Feb 1, 2008 2:27 PM MST reply actions  

Oy...
This is a spectacular trade for the Lakers and very bad news for Phoenix.  Here in Lakerland they are ecstatic and with good reason.  Couple this with last night's hideous game and the Suns margin for error just got a lot smaller.

by SoCalSun on Feb 1, 2008 3:18 PM MST reply actions  

Lame
I'm really not sure if this makes the Lakers a legitimate title contender, seeing as how Gasol has never won a playoff series, and is a spotty player much of the time(although talented).  The ball sharing will certainly be an issue too, with Bynum, Kobe, and now Gasol needing touches.  Although the rest of the teams have a little to fear, I think this move hurts the Suns the most.  In the 05 playoffs the Lakers did significant damage using just klutzy Kwame Brow(only big was Diaw and TT back then) down low, and bigs are the Suns consistent problem on any team.  It may be time to reconsider some of the trade options, particularly for some athletic power forwards or centers.    

by SilverSprings on Feb 1, 2008 4:29 PM MST reply actions  

Not a legitimate title contender?
I don't know why the fact that the Grizzlies never won any of their three playoff series is relevant to the Lakers' success with Gasol. First, the Grizzlies lost those series not Gasol; basketball is a team sport. Second, even if it did reflect on Gasol individually, they lost to the Spurs, Suns, and Mavericks (not much shame in that), and he played very well in each series. Last, he also helped Spain win a world championship, so he obviously has big game experience.

The Lakers were a legit title contender before Gasol. They now have a chance, if they can smooth out the chemistry in the next month and a half, to be the favorite. That is a big "if" though. Next year, however: forget about it.

G

by rosewood on Feb 1, 2008 4:44 PM MST reply actions  

Lakers roll the dice
Gssol has to prove he can play second fiddle, something he has never done, and to play third fiddle (Bynum was their second option, and will be again, since he is much more agressive)  Remember the first round playoff series in 05?  Amare absolutely torched Gasol.

They can start all three, since Odom is really a small forward.  Laker fans have to be disagusted about losing Crittenden and the draft picks.  Unless Gasol fits like a glove, LA will end up trading him the closer they get to extension time for Bynum.

Any cap exerts out there?  How long must you have a player before they get Bird rights on a new team?

Also, remember how everyone lamented Iavarroni's departure because we no longer has a 'big man' coach for Amare?  Now we are really going to find out if he truly is this vaunted 'big man' coach, since he has the mother of all challenges - make Kwame Brown into a basketball player.

This has to make Kobe happy - the Lakers really went out on a limb, and it could pay off handsomely.  If Gasol can play a subordinate role and become a power forward a la Hakeem and Ralph, Duncan and Robinson - LA could pass us.  I just am not sure about those ifs.

'07-'08 Suns: It's clobberin' time!

by Hawk42 on Feb 1, 2008 4:56 PM MST reply actions  

Bird exception
There is no requirement for years played with a specific team. As long as he hasn't been waived or signed in the past three years.

But Gasol's got like three more years on his contract and Bynum has one before he's restricted free agent. So money will be an issue for them in the summer of '09. And actually, it's a problem for them this summer too with the money Odom's making. But they'll trade him, I'd bet.

Big expiring contract + versatile veteran with size? People like that.

G

by rosewood on Feb 1, 2008 5:07 PM MST up reply actions  

World Championships
Didn't he have a broken leg during the championship game? Also, not only has he not won a playoff series, he hasn't won a playoff game(I agree this isn't indicative of a players value, but it should certainly be considered).  But perhaps my statement was misleading, what I really meant was that although they have a very good team, and could certainly win the title, I wouldn't predict them to win in a 7 game series against the Spurs, Mavericks, or Suns.  

by SilverSprings on Feb 1, 2008 5:01 PM MST reply actions  

That's fair
He was hurt, so the World Championship is misleading. Good point. But I guess, considering he was only with one team and he always played well, I don't really take the team performance into consideration. Maybe in the case of Marbury, where several teams have consistently underperformed, but it seems unfair to judge Gasol for memphis losing to three very, very good teams (one that won a championship, one that made it to the conference finals, and one that lost in the finals).

As far as who would win in a seven game series. I'll say that three weeks ago I would have picked the Lakers over the Suns. Now I don't know until I see their squad together.

No matter what though, as an NBA fan not just a Suns fan, this year's playoffs are going to be awesome.

There's always that.

G

by rosewood on Feb 1, 2008 5:49 PM MST up reply actions  

Did you hear that?
I think it may be the sound of a window closing at US Airways Center.

I hope I am wrong but things are not looking good.  I haven't felt this crappy since the end of last season when the disgust of a cheap loss to the Spurs was only topped by the feeling of helplessnes as I watched Atlanta pull out the third pick and relegate the Suns to another mediocre draft.  

With the way we have been playing against teams with any inside presence at all and our inability to maintain offensive dominance against the premier teams I don't like the look of this.  Is there any move the Suns can make to counter this trade?  

Dear Mr. Sarver and Mr. Kerr,
Please do something!  

by Dunk it Boris on Feb 1, 2008 6:02 PM MST reply actions  

simple if you look at it honestly
and honestly, the lakers have been playing better than us this year (at least in head to head games), and now you take away a problem and add gasol! In my opinion, this makes the celtics and lakers the top 2 teams in the league,

I'm sick with envy, why couldn't we pull off something like this, oh wait, i know, he wouldn't fit into the system (b.s.),

The offensive collapse we had at the end of the spurs game was just ugly,

Here's a question, what the Hell happened to Marion against the spurs, during the first half, he was playing like our mvp, steals, dunks, hustle, double teaming, it was just awesome to watch, then he pulls his normal disappearing act.
Was it he simply burned off that extra anger of not being picked on the all star team in the first half.

Everyone here should be very concerned about one thing, above all others

Amare and Marion have quarters and flashes of playing incredible basketball, but they rarely to sometimes have complete games. And here's the part that bothers me, and I'm sure it bothers Nash. It's all mental. If all it took for Marion to play like the best player was for him to get angry, then we're looking at some serious motivation/desire problems for both amare and marion. Also, hearing Amare say (If I'm correct on the az republic quote) missing those free throws...was "no biggie" tell that to the 20,000 in the stands who felt like throwing up after each of his misses!

Also, on another thing, around here in Dallas, with Dirk, to me, it's kind of sad that you have a 7 footer who gets pushed around and out rebounded because of lack of toughness. He needs to go navy seal training for 2 years then come back. Why can't someone like Amare rebound?

I was never a fan of Barkley back in the 90's, I don't like him. But as a suns player, he was great, we desperately need someone like that, someone who can rebound 10-15 a game consistently and score 20+. I'd give Marion or Amare away for a carlos boozer type, or barkley type.

Also, it apparently hasn't sunken in over in the suns manager camp, but if your missing shots, maybe, just maybe we should try rebounding, its this new strategy where on a missed shot, you actually have your players try to get the ball instead of running back. Are there 2 basketballs on the court? Are the Suns confused? What frustrates me the most, is the suns had many moments where it looked like they'd be up on the spurs by 25 within a few more possessions,

I think I was more upset about the 2 Nash turnovers at the end than Amare's free throws. I like Nash, he's probably my favorite player, but it seems teams can turn up their defense at the end and make him lose the ball....2 thoughts in response to this

  1. Lebron is so strong a ball handler, and physically, that Bowen, etc can't slow him down
  2. Nash probably needs to go to the doctor to repair all the scratching and hitting of his hands and wrists that Bowen was doing!
With number 2 in mind, I think either Boris or Hill should be the main ball handler at the end in close games, take advantage of Nash's shooting...
and Diaw / Hill's size...haven't the suns learned from last yr? Watching the end was like a bad replay, why didn't the ball run through someone other than Nash?

by jasonsuns1 on Feb 1, 2008 9:42 PM MST reply actions  

What this means
No doubt about it, this hurts the Suns.

It is painfully obvious. The Lakers improved in the area where the Suns are the weakest. The Suns need another BIG. Amare needs another guy to help down low.

But it's looking more like the Suns are going to do nothing for this year. (I would have gladly traded Banks, Marks, Pike, Tucker, our trade exception and draft picks for Gasol, which is little worse than LA's offer)

So... what this means...

Next year, Marion takes his option (did he seem too concerned with the All-Star game selections, again?)As much as we all love the Matrix, he's got to go in exchange for a another big. Either a trade (unlikely) or the salary room provided by his exit for another low-post player who can provide defense against the other 4s and 5s.

(In descending order of helpfullness)

Players...     Contract status in '08/'09
Elton Brand----Player Option: 16 mill
Emeka Okafor---Qualifying offer for 7 mill
Antwan Jamison---Free Agent (downgrade?)
---drop off-------------
Mikki Moore----Free Agent
Oberto and Elson---Free Agents (guilt conscience?)
DeSagana Diop---Free Agent
Kurt Thomas----Free Agent (older but cheaper)

Of course an unimaginable sign and trade for Tyson Chandler or (ha!) Dwight Howard would solve our ills as well...

But the point is this... we are a starting BIG and a backup point (like Steve Blake who's a FA next year) away from the Championship. Sad truth is, it won't happen this year. It will be exciting. But unless a Big and backup pg comes to Phoenix, the Suns will begin to burnout and start their eclipse.

by Caleb on Feb 1, 2008 10:08 PM MST reply actions  

As long as Sarver
is the owner, he won't ante up to bring the missing pieces to the Suns. Sarver's #1 priority is the luxury tax, not a championship. So unless Steve Kerr can find a way to rip some team off for a big man, it probably won't happen.

by Aluminum Foyle on Feb 1, 2008 10:52 PM MST up reply actions  

sadly, i agree
it's pretty clear that this is the case...

by jasonsuns1 on Feb 2, 2008 8:33 AM MST up reply actions  

Yeah
I think so, that is the case.

by Basillouli on Feb 3, 2008 7:51 PM MST reply actions  

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