Is Nash Hurt or Slowing Down?
I was re-watching that great game against the Celtics and was trying to figure out why the Suns had so many turnovers early in the game. Certainly the Celtics caused many (about half) but there were many that were simply "unforced".
I looked close and noticed something quite disturbing. Many of Nash's passes were off.
Instead of hard crisp passes hitting guys in the hands many were lacking zip. Even the ones that connected seemed to arrive around the knees instead of right in the "shooter's pocket" which we are used to. This meant if he drove the lane and kicked to the open shooter and his pass was low it gave the defense time to recover instead of giving our guy an open shot. This would impact assist numbers.
I seemed to recall seeing this recently and so I decided to go all geek up in here and do some quick analysis.
This chart shows that in 10 out of his last 15 perfomances he has been sub-par in assists and/or turnovers. To me, that's a trend.

Data from basketball-reference.com
In this chart which shows 15 games since Jan 20th, we see the main "zero" line which represents the season average and each data point which shows the deviation from that average.
Nash's average APG is 11.5 so a data point of -2 means that he had two fewer assists in that game. For turnovers I inverted the numbers so that if he had fewer turnovers then the average that data point is shown above the line (because fewer turnovers is better).
All this could mean nothing at all but it certainly jives with my sense that he's not been playing as well of late.
Is he hurt? Tired? Resting?
Inquiring minds want to know.
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Point production
Wouldn't it make sense to look at his point production in the mix as well? I mean when his assists are down, are his points up? I think many teams have gone with the "make Nash a scorer" philosophy this season, so while his assists are down, he ends up with some high scoring games and maybe forces the issue with his passes causing more turnovers.
He's averaging around 17 points a game this year I think. How has his point production been over those games you mentioned... could it just be the way the defense is covering him lately? I wonder if the fact that Marion is longer roaming and cutting and jumping at the rim has cost Steve a few assists. I guess that wouldn't account for the lazy passes though... or the longer trend.
by Travis on Feb 23, 2008 3:41 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Good question
by Phoenix Stan on Feb 23, 2008 5:08 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
A few theories
- He's nursing a lingering injury in his shoulder/back/hamstrings/whatever like you suggested. (Time to give Rick Celebrini a call?)
- He's taking a mid-season, in-flight "break" to be fresher for the playoffs, and is struggling a bit because it's just not in his nature to go anything less than all out, all the time.
- He's finally playing like a 30-year-old instead of a man who stepped back in time 10 years. (He still plays much younger than his age, though).
- We underestimated how much the presence of Shawn Marion improved Nash's numbers (although as you pointed out, the "decline" started even before the trade).
- Other teams have finally figured out how to play Nash to shut off his penetration, step into passing lanes, etc. (It only took three years).
- He's subtly trying to move out of the limelight a little so Amare can move toward center stage, maybe as a partial result of any or all of the above. Again, since not going all out, all the time is not his style, it's not an easy transition to make. (Kind of like the kid with a genius IQ trying to "play dumb" in order to fit in).
by TexSUN on Feb 23, 2008 4:03 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
All possible
by Phoenix Stan on Feb 23, 2008 5:14 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I guess maybe "worn down"
Then again, it's just as likely we're going to read something on AZCentral in a couple of weeks about him having gone to sleep on the wrong side of the bed causing a shoulder strain. Seems like he (or the Suns?) never discloses injuries until weeks or months after the fact. And it could also just be that this season has taken a bigger toll than the prior ones because of all the stuff allegedly going on in the locker room. I doubt we'd hear him say anything about that either.
by TexSUN on Feb 24, 2008 11:13 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Nash passes
The passes are just enough off to alter the play slightly. I felt in the LA game that many of the Laker deflections were due to sloppy passes that would have been layups or dunks if on tatget.
by Hawk42 on Feb 23, 2008 7:53 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
was noticing same thing
by jasonsuns1 on Feb 23, 2008 10:37 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
aGNASHalysis
Whatever it is, the best in the business is on it. If they can rejuvenate SHACK following his exodus to the hurricane beaches, then they can wring out as much value from GNASH'S body as possible. Poor fella.
One thing to keep in mind: the SUNS still experience drastic reductions in offensive efficiency when the short white guy is out. The real problem this season is the second unit. Last season it seems diaw and LB had more success running the O together. Now it's like "COME ON GRANT!"
Perhaps boris needs to start...
O GREAT SUN, WE PRAY THAT YOU SHALL SEND THY HEALING RAYS UPON LITTLE GNASHTY
by The Humongous on Feb 23, 2008 9:19 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
This is interesting stuff
Before the 15 game selection you bring up Nash was averaging a ridiculous 12.4 assists and 3.6 TOs, putting him at a 3.35 to 1 A/TO ratio. That would easily be his best since 04-05 when he had a 3.48 ratio. Two years ago he had a 3.0 to 1 ratio and last year a 3.05 to 1.
So in the past 15 games, when Steve has averaged a weak 10 assists and 4.5 TOs (2.2 to 1), you could almost see it as a leveling out of what would be his most efficient statistics since 04-05. I mean, that is what statistical history should indicate to us. Nash typically plays right around 3 to 1, so him playing at 3.35 to 1 was bound to come down to where he is now (2.95 to 1). Of course, these last 27 games are going to be strange sample with Shaq in the mix, so who knows where he'll end up.
Last, I think it's worth noting that most of Nash's really bad games over the past 15 have been against good teams.
Golden State - (12A/7TO) They create the most steals in the league and give Nash fits.
New Orleans - (12A/10TO) Chris Paul is a better overall player than Nash (though maybe not better at running an offense), especially on D. Sucks but it's true.
San Antonio - (8A/3TO and 6-18 shooting) Bowen is a lousy bastard.
Cleveland - (9A/7TO) They're flawed overall, but defensively Cleveland is one the best teams in the league.
Boston - (5A/5TOs) Boston plays great D and who knows how Steve's stats are going to look in this new Shaqled world.
Then, of course, there's still a couple of games that were just inexplicably bad (Chicago and Charlotte). Maybe those are indicative of decline or injury.
But, overall, I don't think we should look too much into these numbers. There's no doubt Steve is getting older, but the Suns, in general, are changing and, to be fair to Steve, for the year he's playing at about his average anyway.
And, most of all, it's only the late April to June numbers that really matter.
by rosewood on Feb 23, 2008 11:33 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Could be / Hope so
by Phoenix Stan on Feb 24, 2008 8:11 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
True enough
How many more years do you think he'll play? He's got two years after this one on his contract. Will there be another one?
by rosewood on Feb 24, 2008 10:21 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Finish his contract
What's most interesting is that Nash and Shaq both come off the books the same time LeBron is going to be ready to leave Cleveland. I would imagine that he will be looking for a dominate big man to play with and Amare will be in his prime at that point. The Magic are stuck w/ Lewis so they won't be an option. If the Suns can manage to win a ring before then that would make it all the more attractive to King James. Talk about eyes on the prize. That's it!
by Phoenix Stan on Feb 24, 2008 3:59 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Nash
by Hawk42 on Feb 25, 2008 8:45 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think he
Kind of like Stockton. They just don't have the personality for it.
And again, my guess is that after basketball Nash has plenty to keep him busy.
He could do some kind of mentoring role like Stockton does/did with Deron Williams or Karen does w/ Bynum.
But it would be on his terms I suspect and he would really have to like the player and believe in his effort and potential.
just my guess of course
by Phoenix Stan on Feb 25, 2008 10:53 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Nash passes
by Hawk42 on Feb 24, 2008 7:32 AM MST reply actions 0 recs

















