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More than talent

Kenny Smith has written the following article on the qualities needed for a team to hold the Larry O'B.

The checklist, Kenny Smith warns, should be used to assess your team with an objective eye.

For homework, I started us off.  Not sure that I can really be objective.  Feel free to amend as you see fit.  The SUNS better back me up with a win tomorrow, because I just said so many great things about them that now I can't see how they could lose!


I was fortunate to play on two NBA championship teams, but I've also played for teams that had no possible shot at winning a title. So it's easy for me to see when a team has that "it" factor. It's even easier to know when a team doesn't have it.

What do you have to do to become an NBA champion? There are a lot of teams vying for the coveted Larry O'Brien trophy, but only one can have it and this season has the most parity I've seen in my years of following basketball.

There are telltale signs that show whether a team is ready for the trophy. If you go through this checklist, you can see if your favorite team is ready to win it all or go fishing early.

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So go down this checklist with an objective eye. You'll soon know which teams have a chance to be champs and which don't.




1. Style of play: A team should have a defined style. Are they a halfcourt team or a fastbreak team? Are they defensive oriented?

A team needs a defined style, so when things aren't going well the players can return to the system's set principles.

The Suns are a run-and-gun early offense team that runs off makes and misses.  The team runs just as much now as B.S. (Before Shaq) and is scoring even more now than before.  

When things get tough, we go small. At the end of the game, our P'N'R is devastating.




2. A quality point guard and an inside presence: Having an inside-out game is what gets you easy baskets.

[A] Steve Nash - 'nuff said!
[B] Shaquille O'Neal is the prototypical low post presence that puts pressure on the defense.  Amare plays at the high post, so although effective, does not necessarily have the same defense-warping influence.  




3. A superstar: Not a really good player. You need a superstar, a potential Hall of Fame player. Someone who can take over a game.

We have four potential HOFs.  Basketball Reference.com lists

Shaq 9th on the all-time career HOF list with induction probability of 1.
Nash 31st on the all-time career HOF list with induction probability of 0.9993.
Grant Hill 79th on the all-time career HOF list with induction probability of 0.6913.
Amare Stoudemire - not yet assessed.

Of these, obviously Shaq and Hill are really good players, but no longer taking on the role of a superstar.  

Clearly it is Steve Nash that has the strongest will to win and ability to make it happen with clutch shooting.  Many times, as a point guard, distributor and orchestrator, it is less obvious how he takes over a game than someone, like Kobe, who simply starts jacking up crazy shots.  

However, Amare has that capability as well.  And together, Nash + Amare are more deadly than the Black Mamba.  

If you're curious - Shawn Marion is at 125th with a 17.19% chance of making it in the HOF.  At least he made the list!




4. A beast: This doesn't necessarily have to be your most talented player, though it usually is. You want a player who doesn't panic when things go bad. A player that takes the big shot or makes the key defensive play. Someone with enough experience to steady the team when the pressure rises.

Which starter on our team panics?  Which starter isn't capable and willing to take a big shot, make a big play, or a big stop?  They are all used to doing it.  

Nash, 34 - 2 MVPs, 6 time all-star, 97 playoff games
Amare, 25 - All-NBA, 3 time all-star, 31 playoff games
Shaq, 36 - 1 MVP, 14 time all-star (last in 2007), 198 playoff games
Hill, 36 - 7 time all-star (last in 2005!), 19 playoff games
Bell, 31 - All-NBA defensive team, 63 playoff games

They are all seasoned vets and have played in 408 playoff games collectively.  

I don't know who to call the BEAST, but I give this one to SHAQ.  SHAQ has been a calming voice in the locker room.  The one keeping the rest of the team loose and focused.  He's no longer the most talented, but he is the one who's been there and done that.  He has the mojo.




5. A great bench: You need guys who can come in the game and change the momentum. And if you don't have anyone who's even close to being Sixth Man of the Year, you better be wary.

Leandro Barbosa - reigning 6th man.  

I wouldn't say we have a "great bench", but we have a volatile and potentially powerful one.  They'll win us a few games in the POs by running the other team off the court.  Besides the blur mixing it up between threes and blow-bys for layups, we have the enigmatic French Magician, as the Chinese call 3D.  We also have a new guy, GG,  who can score in bunches from 3 and from the midrange.

Further, a lot of fans feel we now have a bench that is 10 deep with Skinner and DJ being able to hold the fort.  



6. Adversity: There is a point in every championship season when the team vows to play harder, smarter and, most importantly, play together. That usually results from adversity and it happens in a variety of ways: an upsetting loss, a players-only meeting, a trade or an injury to a key player.

Check.  The Marion-Shaq trade completely altered the team chemistry and the tone of the locker room.  Before, we were suffering with sibling rivalry, play without joy, and trade demands.  The trade solidified a pecking order on the team and brought in someone that everyone on the team respects and listens to.  A guy that has the savior-faire of a 4-time champion and of a giant.  

We went through and are still going through growing pains, but now the team is focused and, I think, far more confident than it had been before the trade.




7. A magic moment: This often follows adversity. Pulling out an important victory when you're about to lose. A shot that goes in from halfcourt. A record-breaking winning streak.

Check.  Shaq diving into the stands against the San Antonio Tools was a moment that SUNS fans will never forget.  You could feel it in the reactions from the fans in the Arena.  

Even though the play resulted in a Spurs 5-on-4 possession, it was a moment that said Shaq has both the heart and the body to make another run at a title.  That's what the team and the fans needed to know.  




8. Chemistry: There doesn't have to be a love fest going on in the locker room, but championship teams need to have players who respect each other and their coach. A team that respects itself is a team that grows.

Chemistry.  No doubt we got it.  D'Antoni and Nash are almost synonymous.  Everyone recognizes Amare as the "future-now arrived".  Grant Hill and Shaq are long time buddies. Nash and Bell are long time buddies.  Amare worships Shaq. Shaq recanted his statements about Nash's MVPs.  LB and Boris know their roles.  The only potential bad apple may be GG if things go badly for him.  

There is no disrepect anywhere and it is a royal goddamn lovefest!!!

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I won't really argue as much as comment:

#1. I think this is still a work in progress. The Suns run and gun wasn't about fast breaks. It was/is about how they space the floor allowing drive and kick and pick and roll. The new floor spacing w/ Shaq is coming along. As well the new defensive mentality of playing up on guys w/ Shaq on the floor and letting them drive the lane. These are big changes. I also have seen some issues with changing styles when Shaq is in vs out. That's a lot of stuff going on. You basically have like 4 different styles (2 each on D and O depending on Shaq on or off the floor). I won't be doom and gloom about it. Just pointing out that its not quite there yet and I don't think the team thinks it is either when you listen to the interviews. Compare that to say the Spurs or Celtics. Fortunately, the Lakers will struggle a bit when Bynum comes back now w/ Gasol.

#2. I would argue here that Amare is the inside threat. Shaq has yet to prove that he can score enough points from the post (as if he could score from anywhere else) to demand the double or be a real threat. Sure, he's looked good at times but 4 quick assists from the low block against Memphis isn't exactly a test passed. Room to improve but not much time.

Amare on the other hand when he gets the ball either in the low post or high is eating teams alive. He scores high % shots and draws fouls. That's exactly the definition of inside game. His jumper is being used wisely only as a compliment. He's like the opposite of Dirk. He will take (and make) an open jump shot but mainly just to set up his inside game. Many times, his man will play off him daring him to shot and Amare will still drive the lane with devastating effect.

#4. Don't foget this shot and even Boris hit a big end of game shot against the Mavs in 06.

#7. As cool as that was, I don't think that really qualifies. Maybe something yet to come. A come from behind win. A playoff come back. Not sure what, but "The Dive" doesn't strike me as magical enough.

And then the scary thing is that you could check this list with at least 4 teams: Lakers, Spurs, Celtics and probably Pistons and maybe the Jazz (but they are still young in playoff years).

Phx - where artistic vision happens

by Phoenix Stan on Mar 21, 2008 8:20 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks!

#1 Solid description.  Way better than my novice attempt.  

#2 I can see that.  Certainly Amare is the most important guy on the team.  I think he's the big x-factor for his ability to play either like an all-star or like the league MVP.  

However, I was thinking of inside presence is difference than inside scoring threat.  Shaq inside presence is more on the defensive end than offensive.  Although he gives us more of a drop in low look.  We're still trying to figure out how to capitalize best on it without becoming a drop-it-in-to-shaq team.  

Let me tell you - I hated the years when we were a drop-it-in-to-Barkley team.  Watching him spend 20 seconds in iso backing his fat ass back into the post for a turnaround jumper was boring as all hell.

Re-reading its true that when Kenny says inside-outside game, he means offensively.  So in summary, I have to agree with you here.  Besides, my initial analysis was way too shaq-heavy anyway.  Shaq is a solid third-wheel, nothing more, nothing less.    

#4 I was thinking of Raja's Kobe-imitating shot.  That is my favorite Raja money shot.  

I was also thinking, and I couldn't stop thinking about, one of the areas that I really miss Marion is in the clutch.  He would almost never be the one taking the shot, but he never did get enough credit for all the critical rebounds, tips, steals and put-backs he would make happen on the last plays of the game.  Everyone remembers the shot, but rarely those key rebounds.  I bet is down-the-stretch +/- is exceptional.

#7 I will disagree with you on this one.  I realize in terms of raw basketball, it was practically a dumb play, because it led to a 5-on-4 situation.  

However, it will be a suns moment I will always remember for the reason I suggested: It showed that shaq has both the heart and body to go for FIVE.  I think, based on hours of research and stuff with the Airways Center custodial staff, that the team might feel the same way.  It's a good question, I wonder how the team would answer a question like that, or whether it could be answered before the end of the playoffs when people can look back 20-20 on the season and say, "There.  There is where it turned the tide and that's the play where everyone knew!"

As for other teams, yeah, they can all fill in their slots.  They are contenders.  The construction of the discussion is a checklist do you have X, Y and Z, not is your X, Y and Z better than someone else's.  

The SUNS - NOW THE HOTTEST TEAM IN THE NBA!

by ZonaFlash on Mar 21, 2008 11:58 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Clutch Play Analysis from 82 games

Unfortunately this is 2004-2005 data, but if clutch play is persistent, then it's still in the ballpark.  

Our Nash, Amare, Matrix group had 3 of top 5 spots in PER in the final 5 minutes of a close game (within five points).

Therefore, this is generally supportive of the idea that Marion (along Nash and Amare on the court) was a pretty good clutch player.

The SUNS - NOW THE HOTTEST TEAM IN THE NBA!

by ZonaFlash on Mar 22, 2008 12:10 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Hell yes
on Defense as well. Those end of game scenarios often needs a critical stop too. And how many times have we seen Shawn do that. I remember a few times against the Spurs were we have ALL over the court.
Phx - where artistic vision happens

by Phoenix Stan on Mar 22, 2008 9:09 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

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