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Nuggets Slip Past Suns (126-120)

Well, I hate to say it, but in a lot of ways--other than the final result, of course--I liked the way the Suns played in this game better than the one last night. That is, I liked the fact that they didn't let themselves fall into a 20-point hole before fighting to get back in it. This time, the Suns kept it within reach right up until the end. Unfortunately, the Nuggets fought just as hard, and the Suns were never able to get over the hump, even when they had the lead briefly in the fourth quarter. It's tough to lose any game right now, since the standings are so tight, but otherwise, there's really no shame in splitting a back-to-back with a team that's desperately fighting to get into the playoffs.

Random bullets of interest:

  • The Nuggets defended the free throw line brilliantly. Not only did they keep the Suns from getting there much, they held them to 54% when they did. The Suns had 26 free throw attempts to the Nuggets' 47, and they missed 12 of those 26. That's your ballgame right there.
  • The Suns' resiliency got a test tonight when Raja Bell got his second technical and was ejected. Another test came in the fourth quarter when Boris Diaw fouled out. Fortunately, Mike D'Antoni had already broken into his rotation a little, so Brian Skinner was warmed up and ready, as was Gordan Giricek. Just a mental note to file away in case anyone decides to leave the bench at the wrong time a month from now.
  • 18 assists for Steve Nash tonight, but his jumper didn't arrive at the arena until the fourth quarter. It also took a bathroom break when the Suns needed a desperation three at the end of the game. But he did hit some big shots earlier in the quarter, and just like last night, he was the one that finally gave the Suns the lead, this time at the free throw line. He also had a rare three steals, and played some nice defense on several key possessions.
  • Another great line from Amare tonight. His fantasy owners are loving life right now--well, unless they're in a league that counts turnovers. He had six of those, but they pale in comparison to the stellar 9-of-12 shooting resulting in 25 points to go with his 10 rebounds. He also caused a couple of turnovers of his own with his two steals.
  • Speaking of great lines, how about Barbosa with the 27 points on 11-of-16, and the 5-of-8 three-pointers? Too bad he couldn't hit that one at the end of the game, though.
  • I loved Gordan Giricek in this game. He was pesky, Raja Bell-like in baiting people into offensive fouls. He also was loading it up from three, going 4-of-6 behind the arc, and 6-of-9 overall en route to a much-needed 16 points off the bench.
  • As mentioned earlier, we had a Brian Skinner sighting, and he tried to make the most of it, playing with energy and shooting well (4-of-6). At one point, the lineup was Skinner, Diaw, Shaq, Barbosa, and Giricek. Do I detect a little chemistry experiment for the playoffs?
  • Gotta give the Nuggets their props tonight. They could have folded down the stretch for a second night in a row, and they didn't. They hung tough when the Suns took the lead, and got that one last stop that the Suns couldn't get themselves. Hats off to 'em.
Player of the Game: Tough call, but I'm giving it to Marcus Camby, who had an otherwise unremarkable night, but hit the clutch jumper with 37 seconds to go that put the Nuggets ahead for good.

Runner-Up: I'm dodging the stat lines again and picking Gordan Giricek. On a night when the Suns were short-handed, and had their 6th man in the starting lineup, Giricek delivered with both scoring and defense off the bench.

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TOO MANY TECHNICALS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I like the emotion, but there's no need to spot other teams 4-5 points.  We could have really used those back.

by ZonaFlash on Apr 2, 2008 12:34 AM MDT   0 recs

No excuse - should have won
Yeah, I understand TexSun's sentiment, after all, this site is called the Bright Side, so we're supposed to look on the bright side.  But this game was ours to be had.  I don't believe in moral victories.  We lost.  The techs, the free throw shooting, the ejection of Bell, the letup at the end, I say we missed a great opportunity to devastate the Nugget's psyche, and keep pressure on the Lakers for the division.

Boston has the killer instinct this year - they would have won this game.

'07-'08 Suns: It's clobberin' time!

by Hawk42 on Apr 2, 2008 6:47 AM MDT to parent up   0 recs

See Pliny the Elder's comment below
That was definitely a factor in my recap.

by TexSUN on Apr 2, 2008 8:45 AM MDT to parent up   0 recs

One other thing
Raja essentially got his second technical for smiling, as far as I can tell. That's what they said on the broadcast, and that's what the recaps after the game said too. Maybe he did something else, maybe he didn't, but if not, then this was an awful lot like Tim Duncan getting ejected for laughing last season. (Difference is, TD wasn't even in the game at the time, so his "offense" was admittedly less "egregious").

by TexSUN on Apr 2, 2008 8:50 AM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Pattern developing?
Did you happen to catch Charley Rosen's article (http://www.phxsuns.net/showthread.php?t=636)?  I dislike him strongly, because he hates the sns, but he correctly observed that while Raja received a tech for smiling, Allen Iverson told the ref to "<bleep> you, man" on a no call, and the ref ignored him.  Why is it that the refs are holding us to a different standard?
'07-'08 Suns: It's clobberin' time!

by Hawk42 on Apr 2, 2008 9:02 AM MDT to parent up   0 recs

This is all based on expectations

AI can get away with everything, because he got away with it early in his career.  It's expect that he say "f u, ref!"  

Suns are goody 2-shoes, so when they do something out of character, they get the T.

by ZonaFlash on Apr 2, 2008 10:38 AM MDT to parent up   0 recs

good link, Hawk

I agree with Rosen that basically in those two games we just survived and someone had to win them.

I hope that those two poor performances were the result of (1) matchups and (2) fatigue and possibly, if we are really lucky (3) Grant Hill being out.

However, the plain truth is that if it is not one of those 3, we did not look like, and are probably not, contenders.  

Rosen said it in the harshest terms possible to see newspapers, but he is RIGHT that the suns looked weak the past two games.

by ZonaFlash on Apr 2, 2008 10:44 AM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Just remember three things...
  1. There are no back-to-backs in the playoffs.
  2. There are no four games in five nights in the playoffs (at least not from the same team).
  3. Charley Rosen always has a few balls of hate for the Suns and Amare in particular.
There are however injuries, technicals, and fouls in the playoffs. Hopefully all three of those situations will be resolved by then.

by TexSUN on Apr 2, 2008 10:48 AM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Asshole...
"So, while the game was important to both teams, and while it was action-packed and totally entertaining, neither of these defenseless ball clubs has the slightest chance to win the championship"

Ehhh Ok...

by PanamaSun on Apr 2, 2008 11:02 AM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Charley effing Rosen
Isn't he the guy that picked apart a game of Amare's last season play by play and possession by possession?  If so, I hate him.

Oh, and by the way, I loved Raja's big smile and Kevin Fehr is an a**hole.  According to the AP story I saw online last night, Raja "mouthed off".  Funny, Coro and others say he didn't say one word.

Glad we don't have to see Denver anytime soon.  I am sick of A.I. and his grunts and Carmelo's smirk.

by TwinnerA on Apr 2, 2008 12:18 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Rosen's a moron
To reiterate, I don't buy any conclusions Rosen makes, I just wanted to highlight the inconsistency on technicals.

The bad thing about it, is that if D'Antoni or sarver would point out the problem, stern would fine them.

'07-'08 Suns: It's clobberin' time!

by Hawk42 on Apr 2, 2008 12:06 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Actually..
Charlie loves Steve Nash..

The thing about Charlie is that firstly he's old, old school, late 60's/early 70's ball being his bag. So he tends to like solid, fundamental, hard-nosed players like Duncan, Nash, Bowen, and Rodman.

Secondly, he used to be a pro-level coach, so he tends to eschew gaudy box-score stats in favor of a more nuanced view of the games, where setting picks and playing off the ball counts for something.

The thing about Charlie is that he bases his opinions solely on what he sees with his own two eyes, and strictly on the basis on the single game he's reviewing. His problem is that he often generalizes on a teams future, on the basis of that single game. So, while he might mention them, he doesn't take into account these other factors and trends, like matchups, starters being on the bench, and defensive players getting ejected.  One night you'll hear about how good the Suns defense is (see the Spurs game), and the next about how bad they are.  

But he does give, hands down, the most sophisticated, cliche-free and meaningful game analysis of any commentator.  Far better than the Broussards, Buchers and Hollingers of the world, imho.

by Pliny the Elder on Apr 2, 2008 1:58 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

yup.

I loved when Stan did a Charley Rosen type game for us.  The micro picture is really helpful.

And again you're right, going from the micro picture of one game to the macro picture of a season is unjustified, but it makes for a good article.

Good assessment, Pliny!

by ZonaFlash on Apr 2, 2008 5:54 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

4th game in 5 nights
Denver might be the worst place to play the 4th in 5 nights game, just because of the altitude and the fact that you're playing a running team.

It was remarkable we were close, considering we also had to deal with Grant in civvies, Raja's ejection and Boris' foul-out.

But I guess playing at altitude, against a decent team and the three blind mice, with the handicaps we already had was too much.

by Pliny the Elder on Apr 2, 2008 2:00 AM MDT   0 recs

Yup - I agree as well
Denver still is a very talented team with the 4th highest payroll. For them to have dropped that game after all that would have been a disaster of epic proportions from thier perspective.

They should be embarrassed it was as close as it was. But as I said, I thought we needed to win this game in the 1st quarter and we didn't. You aren't gonig to come back on a team twice in a row like that.

Phx - where run and thunder happens

by Phoenix Stan on Apr 2, 2008 8:50 AM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Why not?
If you are a championship team, you are.  Forget the first quarter.  We had the lead and were outplayed down the stretch.
'07-'08 Suns: It's clobberin' time!

by Hawk42 on Apr 2, 2008 9:04 AM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Game
This was a good game but the reffing again jobs us in.

I remember how Zona said that Diaw always looks worse than the line he puts up.  In this game he looked better than the line.  The last foul he got from Anthony was bogus too.  Melo lowered the shoulder into him then gets called for keeping his hands straight up in the air?  Diaw did a great job against him all night, they got so many ticky-tac foul calls.  Let's see what happens in the playoffs...

by slyguy183 on Apr 2, 2008 9:39 AM MDT   0 recs

We could have won..
No freaking doubt about it...but that's the point!
Let's be realistic, we had no business winning a back to back, on the road, altitude being a factor, after a big effort the night before, without Grant, without Bell since the third quarter, Diaw fouled out and he was doing a decent job con Melo. I mean... COME ON! Give the guys a break here!

Yes, I would have loved to win. Yes, I wanted to kick the Nuggets even further down in the standings and move up in the Pacific. But take into consideration that the Nuggets were desparate and they NEEDED to win this game. They should feel embarrassed on how close this was.

by PanamaSun on Apr 2, 2008 10:37 AM MDT   0 recs

Yep
It would have been nice if Phx had won and A.I. would have spent a 2nd sleepless night, the punk.

by TwinnerA on Apr 2, 2008 12:21 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Would have liked the win but not sweating the loss
A win last night would have been sweet for many reasons, and yes, they were oh-so-close and could have brought home the victory, but I don't think this one is anything to get to concerned about.  On the road, back-to-back, Hill out, 4th in 5, hideous reffing, a playoff-quality opponent, and with all that the game  could have been won with one more stop or one more made shot.  

If the Suns lose out seeding wise by one game by the end of the season you could pick this one, but you could pick several other ones (Miami, TWO!! in Minnesota) that mean about as much.  Some losses really expose a deeper problem (like that one to the Spurs just before the trade), and some of them are just part of the schedule--I'll put last night's game in that second group.

Overall I really like what I'm seeing from this team with 2-weeks to go, and going back to the Marion/Shaq trade, I think they're looking much better today than they did before.

I'm hoping/thinking that the Suns can go 5-2 to close out the schedule, and that might be enough to get that division flag again.

by SoCalSun on Apr 2, 2008 3:47 PM MDT   0 recs

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