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Here we go again folks - all your Amare Stoudemire trade rumor information and discussion in one place.

You know the drill - updates throughout the day as information develops. Newest info on the top with a time/date stamp.

Stay tuned. It very well could be a busy day on the Amare trade front. It will definitely will be the last full day.

For other trade news from around the league check back with the SB Nation Trade Story Stream.

[Note by Seth Pollack, 02/17/10 9:41 PM MST ]

Now what for Amare? - TrueHoop Blog - ESPN
That leaves the Miami Heat as the only known suitor for Amare. One source close to the process disputed what a Suns source told me earlier today about Miami's reluctance to give up draft picks for Amare. The Heat own the Raptors' and their own first-round draft picks this year. "The Heat have offered a pick," the source said. "I think this comes down to, will they offer their second first-rounder, as well?"

[Note by Seth Pollack, 02/17/10 5:21 PM MST ]

So...that was fun

Twitter / John Gambadoro: Michael Beasley is not bei ...
Michael Beasley is not being offered by the Miami Heat to the Phoenix Suns...So it looks very much like Amare Stoudemire will stay in Phx

Twitter / John Gambadoro: Cleveland in the end did n ...
Cleveland in the end did not want to part with JJ Hickson and that is why there is no deal between the Cavs and the Suns

Sources: Cavaliers agree to 3-way trade with Wizards and Clippers; receive forward Antawn Jamison and guard Sebastian Telfair | Cleveland Cavaliers - cleveland.com
The Cavs made the move after they were unable to complete a trade with the Phoenix Suns for Amare Stoudemire. After nearly a week of talks the Cavs pushed for an answer Wednesday afternoon. Either they were told no or told to wait by Phoenix, who was hoping for better deals to mature.

[Note by Seth Pollack, 02/17/10 5:05 PM MST ]

Twitter / John Gambadoro: I am hearing that Amare St ...
I am hearing that Amare Stouemire will remain a Phoenix Sun.....

[Note by Seth Pollack, 02/17/10 3:57 PM MST ]

Twitter / Adrian Wojnarowski: The Suns have told Amar'e ...
The Suns have told Amar'e Stoudemire that he is playing tonight against the Dallas Mavericks, suggesting no imminent trade, sources tell Y!

[Note by Seth Pollack, 02/17/10 2:57 PM MST ]

Twitter / Brian Windhorst: There are some indications ...
There are some indications out there that the Suns are getting close to giving Cavs an answer on Amar'e. As in very soon.

[Note by Seth Pollack, 02/17/10 2:41 PM MST ]

Twitter / Dave Burns (Commish): Agent for Amare tells AP t ...
Agent for Amare tells AP that he expects Amare to get traded. Adds that Amare believes Suns game tonight vs Mavs will be his last for Suns

[Note by Seth Pollack, 02/17/10 1:17 PM MST ]

Update from Gambo on KTAR (audio later)

Gambo says the report from yesterday about the Heat offering that mixed bag is false and that the Cavs and Heat deals are still as reported yesterday with Beasley and pick(s).

Suns are trying to get a third team involved to spin off either Illgauskas or some of the Heat assets including Beasley who the Suns don't want.

The names mentioned were Iguodala and ....wait for it...Luol Deng and Kirk Hinrich.

Hinrich makes no sense to me given his contract and role ($17m over 2 yrs). Deng would be interesting I guess but he's also got a big contract ($51m/4yrs). Makes me wonder why they would be ok paying Deng that kind of money but not Amare.

Gambo also reports a mysterious new team has entered the fray...

Gambo reporting the Suns offered Amare two years at $14m/yr beyond the final year so that would have been a total of 3 yrs / $45m. Suns didn't want to give him more years given his injury history. That seems low to me.

 

[Note by Seth Pollack, 02/17/10 12:57 PM MST ]

Update from our old pal, Chad Ford:

Of the two teams vying for Stoudemire, only the Heat have actually received permission from the Suns to speak to Stoudemire's agent. The Cavs, as of Wednesday afternoon, have yet to call.

Still, sources close to the negotiations say that, right now, Cleveland is the front-runner. Why? Because the Heat have yet to offer the Suns a deal that would beat the Cavs' offer of Zydrunas Ilgauskas and J.J. Hickson. One source familiar with the negotiations told ESPN.com that the Heat have yet to offer Michael Beasley or either of their two first-round picks.

[Note by Seth Pollack, 02/17/10 11:49 AM MST ]

Twitter / Amar'e Stoudemire: Just leaving our Breakfast ...
Just leaving our Breakfast Meeting. "I'm still here" Lol. It's time for a hair cut. Got to stay fresh during this trade talk. Lol.

 

[Note by Seth Pollack, 02/17/10 10:34 AM MST ]

Steve Kerr and Jerry Colangelo on KTAR this morning. Neither said anything super interesting but still...

 

[Note by Seth Pollack, 02/17/10 9:42 AM MST ]

A few non-trade related links that are very interesting...

[Note by Seth Pollack, 02/17/10 7:47 AM MST ]

Here's the latest dirt:

  • Woj at Yahoo! reports that extension talks with Amare are over and that the Suns have decided to trade Amare
  • The Heat have now taken Beasley off the table but are considering taking J-Rich's contract either themselves or with a third team. That would leave the Suns with a TON of cap space this summer along with a couple of first round draft picks. But no Beasley as reports stand right now
  • The Heat offer is reported to include Daequan Cook, Quentin Richardson, Dorell Wright, Mario Chalmers and draft picks to the Suns
  • The Cavs want Amare as their first choice but are working on back-up plans with Jamison, Murphy and Maggette

 

Links to Sources

Cavs talks with Wizards intensify - NBA - Yahoo! Sports
Washington is still trying to squeeze possibly another pick or young player out of the Cavs, but sources say it’s possible a deal could get done without J.J. Hickson(notes). As it stands, both sides believe they have the framework of a workable deal.

Trade buzz: Amar'e done with Suns? - NBA - Yahoo! Sports
Amar’e Stoudemire(notes) and the Phoenix Suns are no longer discussing a contract extension, and the All-Star forward was privately telling friends that he believes he’s playing his last game in a Suns uniform on Wednesday night in Dallas, sources said. Meanwhile, the Miami Heat are still working to put together a package for Stoudemire, although a source familiar with Pat Riley’s most recent offer says it doesn’t include Michael Beasley(notes). Miami failed in its attempt to enlist the Charlotte Bobcats as a partner to take on Udonis Haslem(notes) in a three-team trade. The Heat could be willing to take on Jason Richardson’s(notes) contract, which has one year worth $14.4 million left after this season, for the chance to land Stoudemire to play alongside Dwyane Wade(notes).

Suns' Amar'e Stoudemire: It's great to be wanted
But in that same room, there also was a feeling that Stoudemire might not play for the Suns Wednesday night at Dallas. That was before a Yahoo! report said Cleveland's talks about acquiring Washington's Antawn Jamison, instead of Stoudemire, had intensified. Reportedly, Cleveland's LeBron James favors Stoudemire. The most-likely Suns trade scenario remains a deal with Cleveland for power forward J.J. Hickson, center Zydrunas Ilgauskas, swingman Danny Green and a first-round draft pick. Ilgauskas could be bought out to get the Suns under the luxury-tax threshold or traded again. Miami is the next-strongest suitor, but a third team would have to get involved because the Suns are not interested in the Heat's offers, even ones that include Michael Beasley or Jermaine O'Neal's massive expiring contract.

Wizards Insider - Latest Wizards trade rumblings
But it seems apparent that nothing will go down until the Phoenix Suns decide what they are going to do with Amare Stoudemire. Based on my conversations, I am under the impression that the Cavaliers would prefer to acquire Stoudemire, a 26-year-old all-star stud who is also being pursued by the Miami Heat.

Wait and see: Stoudemire remains Cleveland Cavaliers' top target, but Jamison still a strong option | Cleveland Cavaliers - cleveland.com
The Cavs' deal, in conjunction with a potential money-saving buyout of Ilgauskas' contract, could put the Suns under the luxury tax. That is a move that could save Phoenix is excess of $10 million this season. Miami's offers likely would not get the Suns under the tax but could include more draft picks -- the Heat own two first-rounders this year. There are signs that Miami is trying to find a way to also trade for Suns' guard Jason Richardson, who will make $14.4 million next season, as part of the deal. If the Heat can do that, and therefore give the Suns the sort of cash savings the Cavs currently are offering, there's a good chance Phoenix may select Miami's offer.

NBA trade deadline: The latest info - ESPN
According to an NBA source, the Heat are offering Daequan Cook, Quentin Richardson, Dorell Wright, Mario Chalmers and draft picks to the Suns. Cook is the only player among that group who is under contract for next season (Chalmers has a team option for $847,000). It is believed that the Suns would rather have a package from Cleveland that would include Zydrunas Ilgauskas, J.J. Hickson and a draft pick, with the young Hickson as the most appealing part of the package. Another league source said the Suns would like to attach Jason Richardson to a Stoudemire trade, which would relieve Phoenix from having to pay Richardson's $14 million salary next season.